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I certainly haven't perceived this discussion as having a tone of "why are we spending money on "those" kids".  In fact, I'm wondering why we weren't addressing these student needs (if there is actually a need for a new building) before  we were deciding on spending huge money for new administrative offices.
 
Being on the politically incorrect side of this argument, I would like to point out some things I question in how the ALC proposal has been defended and debated of late;
 
* The fact that the current ALC building was once a bar means what?  If my house was once a church, does that make me holy?  Apparently it has served 100's of students and children adequately for two decades.
* Claiming  WAPS isn't actually building the building is technically correct but points out how desperate the advocates of this proposal are.  Does anyone really think that this argument actually resonates with the public?  In fact, it further undermines the credibility of those making it.
* Some proposed costs associated with the moves from Lincoln have been in the media.  Proposed costs are seldom actual costs.  Look at how the cost of renovating the High School quickly escalated. Unlike Mr. Durand, I believe that Mr. Herold is a man of his word and will get back to me (and WOD) with factual answers to my question about all actual costs.  He doesn't strike me as the type who needs to enlist "shills" to act as his mouthpiece for the sake of his political ambitions.
* The "don't our kids deserve better" argument is worn out and still remains feckless yet insulting.  It's like asking "do you still beat your spouse?"
* Why is it okay for one group to attack others (who they're always claiming don't care about kids) just because they resist worshipping at the community temple of public education?  Don't they have the right to disagree and debate on how the tithes they're forced to pay are spent on the temple?  Recent decisions by the high priests point out the need for more debate and a lot more prayer and meditation.
* ISD861 money troubles are always blamed on inadequate state funding.  Both political parties have alternately held the purse strings.  Education funding has always been a top priority at the legislature, about $13 BILLION just last year.  Maybe the trouble is actually due to the fact that we're simply spending it faster than we're receiving it?  There will never be an end to "good causes", there will always be an end to the amount of money we can throw at them.  The success or failure of our district finances simply depend on how we prioritize our needs.  This ALC spending decisions by the Board of Education is elective.  It is not the result of "state mandates", which is usually where the blame is placed after the inadequate state funding argument is challenged.
* The politically correct can be offensive and condescending in their posts on WOD and their comrades with say nothing.  If the politically incorrect get offensive or condescending, the PC attack them in droves.
*  I often wonder who is really the author of some of the recent WOD posts defending the district position on the proposed ALC building.  Me thinks they protest too much.
* How many more buildings will ISD861 build using the leasing loophole?  What will the next great cause be and when will we hear about it?  Will they give us more than three weeks to respond with a better plan?
 
Debate is good for us, like it or not......................                                             Mike Kirschmann
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Brault
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:09 PM
Subject: [Winona] Fw: ALC

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I don't know any of the students or faculty at the ALC but I want my tax dollars to educate all the students in the district - even those who some would rather write off, some who have already been written off by people that should care about them.   This whole discussion has the tone of why are we spending any money on "those" kids.
 
Other points made in this discussion seem to forget the length of time the discussion of moving ALC has been going on, seem to tie the costs of moving ALC to the closure of Lincoln building and suggest that WAPS should have polished it's crystal ball a bit better when asking for our tax dollars for the last levy.  I suspect there would have been an even larger outcry if the district had tried to ask for an undetermined amount of money because 'we know the ALC will move, we just don't know where to yet'.
 
• The current efforts to relocate the ALC have been going on for at least a year and a half and have been covered more than once in each print media, regular updates at school board meeting, in editions of Inside Your Schools (district's newsletter to all residents).
• Even during Bartleson's tenure, plans were in the works to relocate the middle and high school level Winona Area Learning Center.  
• Placing the program in existing district space was determined not workable for numerous reasons, including vocal NIMBY; not in my back yard, opponents to those locations.
• Space has been considered all around the community--at least 20 spots. Problems arose with location, zoning, high costs of remodeling the space etc. , proximity to hazards, etc.   Also, if some of these business sites were used, that business would then be taken off the tax rolls and this has a community impact.
• There were attempts to develop a partnership with the City of Winona.
• On December 28 Mr. May presented his proposal to build a building (WAPS is not building it) for the WALC students and children.  His costs seem to be in line with square foot costs for other locations.  
• Any other property the ALC would have relocated to would have also been leased--state lease aid would be used.  
• Housing the ALC far out of town--maybe Rollingstone or the Ridgeway Building--satisfies the desire to have these kids out of the general population (for the NIMBY's). However, it puts them far away from the services they regularly have appointments with (Court Services, Human Services, Public Health etc.)  These remote sites are also not accessible by public transportation and also make it more difficult for students to come from their work to school, or from school to work. 
• These efforts were never financially tied to the referendum or referenced to it as a supported expenditure of a successful referendum.
 
I don't know who Mr. May is but I'm grateful he stepped up to the table with a viable offer. 
 
 
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Beth Brault

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