Fw: [Winona] Day Without Immigrants

[Dwayne and Denine Voegeli]

[Winona Online Democracy]

Glen Schumann raised an excellent point in his e-mail.   He said,   ---   "A large part of this problem exists because Mexico is such a terrible place for many of its citizens.  If that country were to become a land with even modest prosperity and an honest government, the pressure on our border would decline.  We might want to look at how to improve the situation in Mexico for her people.   ---   No matter how big of a wall we build or how many nuts we give guns to on those neo-nazi border patrols, will we never solve the problem unless we deal with root causes of the problem?   The Sierra Club had a heated debate over immigration a number of years ago.  There were those within the group that believed in the short-sighted but politically easier and more popular, "build a wall" approach.   Instead the Sierra Club decided as a whole that the only real solution is to solve the root causes of the problem.  Help provide a basic and decent standard of living for everyone so there is not a need to move.  Their solutions:   1.  Provide a decent standard of living to everyone on the planet   2.  Increase women's rights here and abroad  (there are more unplanned pregnancies in America than there are illegal immigrants)   Again, all the past talk of a "New World Order" and a border-less world only appears to have applied to boxes and cheap plastic things brought in from foreign sweat shops.   :-<   Dwayne Voegeli   May 5, 2006   ================     ----- Original Message ----- From: Glen Schumann To: winona@mnforum.org Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: RE: [Winona] Day Without Immigrants [Winona Online Democracy] The large assumption this makes is that the 40 or 50% increase in wages would not put the land out of production as far as the products worked by hand labor is concerned.  These acreages might go idle or into other products because they could not be produced at a profit.  This could result in shortages of certain products or substantial increases in imports.   Also, I believe some of these products are worked by hand because it is not possible to handle them by machine.   Touching on comments by Bob Sebo in another post; if we are a land of laws, our laws should be enforced.  My great grandfather came here in the late 19th century, legally.  Those who flout our laws demonstrate that they do not deserve our respect.   A large part of this problem exists because Mexico is such a terrible place for many of its citizens.  If that country were to become a land with even modest prosperity and an honest government, the pressure on our border would decline.  We might want to look at how to improve the situation in Mexico for her people.   Glen Schumann Winona, MN   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 507.454.3056   www.hbci.com/~gschuman   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Carlson Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 5:13 PM To: winona@mnforum.org Subject: RE: [Winona] Day Without Immigrants   To Bob Sebo's comments:    Doing a little quick research related to farm labor, I find that hired labor accounts for about 12% of farm costs.  "Farm value" - or the amount of finished food cost paid to the farmer - is about 20% of every dollar we spend of groceries (the rest is transportation, marketing, retail labor, profit, etc.).  So, 12% 0f 20% - or about 2.4% - is the share of our food dollar that goes to hired farm labor.  Labor costs could go up 50% and only raise our grocery bill by a little over 1%.   I would welcome any more in depth information.   Phil Carlson, Mpls _______________________________________________ This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. No commercial solicitations are allowed on this list. To manage your subscription or view the message archives, please visit http://mapnp.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona Any problems or suggestions can be directed to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you want help on how to contact elected officials, go to the Contact page at  http://www.winonaonlinedemocracy.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.3/331 - Release Date: 5/3/2006

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