Maybe it's more a gradual transition rather a "hard" line traced in sand.
El día 12 de junio de 2011 23:20, [email protected] <[email protected]> escribió: > But that's my point, Artir; where do we draw the line? It's practically > completely arbitrary, as is the definition of life. > And it's good that your back, I thought you had run off... > -Dante > > 2011/6/12 José Luis Ricón <[email protected]> >> >> Well, Artificial Intelligence. What makes it special? >> In first place: it is commonly assumed that what makes us humans >> special is our ability to perform rational thinking. Other animals >> live on their instincts and what they learn in their life. We can >> create new knowledge, get to really know something. >> Compare using a language phrasebook to get around in China to actually >> knows chinese, to know every meaning of what you are saying and how >> does it relate to other characters, and being able to formulate >> sentences outside of the ones you've heard or learnt. That is that >> difference. >> >> So that same difference is what I think applies to AI. Learning and >> going further. In the case of a full fledged human mind-level neuronal >> AI, this difference is evident, but in a more limited case, our >> project (at least for now) we still consider it AI. Where is the >> boundary? I think that isn't quite clear and there are degrees of AI >> strenght, i.e. from 0 being a dumb printf("Hello World"); to 100 being >> something as smart as us. (And that could go over 100 (and 9000) if >> the machine can self improve and etc...). >> >> Wintermute does attempt to understand knowledge via a database and >> means to establish relations in content it receives, via Panlingua. >> Now "Glass" is not an entry in a table like Glass:"Substance made of >> SiO2..." It's now a mutable object that has atributes such as >> breakable, can also mean container of liquids and any others you can >> think of. So when you say "Is this glass full of water?" Wintermute's >> understanding of that is closer to ours than the one of a non AI >> program. Relations between meanings. >> A spam filter searches for patterns and categorizes that as spam. >> Wintermute would also do that, but find more patterns inside the spam >> it rejects, and the mails it let go through; being able to understand >> relations inside the text gives WM an advantage over a system that >> just reads and matches text against said patterns. >> >> In the case of facial recognition, the problem is far more complex >> than bardcodes, just because barcodes are designed to be read by >> machines. A standarized format of black and white stripes. Faces the >> result of many factors and we have to adapt our detections techniques >> to them, while we can adapt barcodes so that they can be easily read. >> In fact, as far as I know, face detection currently works by >> extracting the most important features of the face ("Eigenface"), the >> same way you would get eigenvalues outta of a matrix in Algebra. Is >> doing the math, basically. You need quite a large matrix to scan a >> face, while if you follow that approach with barcodes, a smaller one >> will suffice. And of course, variations in lightning, angle and small >> changes in the face can make the whole process even more difficult >> versus the simplicity of realatively immutable barcodes. How does a >> program knows that this other pic it's me with a beard and that other >> one it's not me but looks quite a lot like me?. Training. Learning. >> >> Not to be able to do something, but to understand why you're doing it, >> how could you make it better, what are you doing wrong. That's what a >> program should do or emulate to learn as we do. >> >> BTW, I'm back ;D >> >> El día 12 de junio de 2011 20:30, SII <[email protected]> escribió: >> > Because trying to assemble a psych meeting through IRC has been somewhat >> > bad, I thought it best to start a discussion on here. >> > Artificial Intelligence: AI. Defined, roughly, by programming computers >> > to >> > perform tasks normally reserved for humans. >> > But what of a more in-depth definition? Why is Wintermute so special, >> > yet a >> > spam filter isn't? >> > Why is the idea of facial recognition more appetizing then that of >> > barcode >> > recognition? >> > Why is it that we can point to any chat-bot; AIML or not, and call that >> > AI, >> > yet so ignore far more complex processes and daemons running in order to >> > keep our world turning? >> > The problem of defining AI is, it seems, very much like defining life; >> > you >> > can point to yourself, a pet, or anything classed as a microrganism, and >> > say >> > "That's life." >> > A set of chemicals, however, isn't. It's just chemicals. When does a bag >> > of >> > adrenaline turn into anger? When does cortisol turn into worry? The >> > definition here is as fuzzy as the defintion of system vs. an >> > intelligent >> > system, no? >> > Discuss, chaps. >> > -Dante >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> José Luis Ricón >> >> -- >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~wintermute-psych >> Post to : [email protected] >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~wintermute-psych >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > -- > > -Danté Ashton > > Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici > > Sent from Ubuntu > > -- José Luis Ricón -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~wintermute-psych Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~wintermute-psych More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
