Very much like sentience, then, you think? :P 2011/6/12 José Luis Ricón <[email protected]>
> Maybe it's more a gradual transition rather a "hard" line traced in sand. > > El día 12 de junio de 2011 23:20, [email protected] > <[email protected]> escribió: > > But that's my point, Artir; where do we draw the line? It's practically > > completely arbitrary, as is the definition of life. > > And it's good that your back, I thought you had run off... > > -Dante > > > > 2011/6/12 José Luis Ricón <[email protected]> > >> > >> Well, Artificial Intelligence. What makes it special? > >> In first place: it is commonly assumed that what makes us humans > >> special is our ability to perform rational thinking. Other animals > >> live on their instincts and what they learn in their life. We can > >> create new knowledge, get to really know something. > >> Compare using a language phrasebook to get around in China to actually > >> knows chinese, to know every meaning of what you are saying and how > >> does it relate to other characters, and being able to formulate > >> sentences outside of the ones you've heard or learnt. That is that > >> difference. > >> > >> So that same difference is what I think applies to AI. Learning and > >> going further. In the case of a full fledged human mind-level neuronal > >> AI, this difference is evident, but in a more limited case, our > >> project (at least for now) we still consider it AI. Where is the > >> boundary? I think that isn't quite clear and there are degrees of AI > >> strenght, i.e. from 0 being a dumb printf("Hello World"); to 100 being > >> something as smart as us. (And that could go over 100 (and 9000) if > >> the machine can self improve and etc...). > >> > >> Wintermute does attempt to understand knowledge via a database and > >> means to establish relations in content it receives, via Panlingua. > >> Now "Glass" is not an entry in a table like Glass:"Substance made of > >> SiO2..." It's now a mutable object that has atributes such as > >> breakable, can also mean container of liquids and any others you can > >> think of. So when you say "Is this glass full of water?" Wintermute's > >> understanding of that is closer to ours than the one of a non AI > >> program. Relations between meanings. > >> A spam filter searches for patterns and categorizes that as spam. > >> Wintermute would also do that, but find more patterns inside the spam > >> it rejects, and the mails it let go through; being able to understand > >> relations inside the text gives WM an advantage over a system that > >> just reads and matches text against said patterns. > >> > >> In the case of facial recognition, the problem is far more complex > >> than bardcodes, just because barcodes are designed to be read by > >> machines. A standarized format of black and white stripes. Faces the > >> result of many factors and we have to adapt our detections techniques > >> to them, while we can adapt barcodes so that they can be easily read. > >> In fact, as far as I know, face detection currently works by > >> extracting the most important features of the face ("Eigenface"), the > >> same way you would get eigenvalues outta of a matrix in Algebra. Is > >> doing the math, basically. You need quite a large matrix to scan a > >> face, while if you follow that approach with barcodes, a smaller one > >> will suffice. And of course, variations in lightning, angle and small > >> changes in the face can make the whole process even more difficult > >> versus the simplicity of realatively immutable barcodes. How does a > >> program knows that this other pic it's me with a beard and that other > >> one it's not me but looks quite a lot like me?. Training. Learning. > >> > >> Not to be able to do something, but to understand why you're doing it, > >> how could you make it better, what are you doing wrong. That's what a > >> program should do or emulate to learn as we do. > >> > >> BTW, I'm back ;D > >> > >> El día 12 de junio de 2011 20:30, SII <[email protected]> > escribió: > >> > Because trying to assemble a psych meeting through IRC has been > somewhat > >> > bad, I thought it best to start a discussion on here. > >> > Artificial Intelligence: AI. Defined, roughly, by programming > computers > >> > to > >> > perform tasks normally reserved for humans. > >> > But what of a more in-depth definition? Why is Wintermute so special, > >> > yet a > >> > spam filter isn't? > >> > Why is the idea of facial recognition more appetizing then that of > >> > barcode > >> > recognition? > >> > Why is it that we can point to any chat-bot; AIML or not, and call > that > >> > AI, > >> > yet so ignore far more complex processes and daemons running in order > to > >> > keep our world turning? > >> > The problem of defining AI is, it seems, very much like defining life; > >> > you > >> > can point to yourself, a pet, or anything classed as a microrganism, > and > >> > say > >> > "That's life." > >> > A set of chemicals, however, isn't. It's just chemicals. When does a > bag > >> > of > >> > adrenaline turn into anger? When does cortisol turn into worry? The > >> > definition here is as fuzzy as the defintion of system vs. an > >> > intelligent > >> > system, no? > >> > Discuss, chaps. > >> > -Dante > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> José Luis Ricón > >> > >> -- > >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~wintermute-psych > >> Post to : [email protected] > >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~wintermute-psych > >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -Danté Ashton > > > > Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici > > > > Sent from Ubuntu > > > > > > > > -- > José Luis Ricón > > -- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~wintermute-psych > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~wintermute-psych > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > -- -Danté Ashton Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici Sent from Ubuntu
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