And again this is not a new problem - we even considered in the early
days having the APs in a lecture theatre on a seperate power curcuit
with the switch on the lecturn - it all got too hard in the end and we
didn't bother.
Phill Solomon
University of Melbourne.
On 18/04/2009, at 2:22 AM, "David Robertson" <[email protected]> wrote:
We had discussions when installing wireless in a new building where
the professors felt that they should be able to determine when and
where wireless should be turned off for their classes. We finally
explained to them, that it would require them to hire a few more
people to work for us to manage the wireless system to handle their
requests, until then, they would have to request their students to
not use their computers/phones during class.
David R.
Peter P Morrissey wrote:
I teach courses part time and I can tell you that this is easier
said than done. While it sounds good in principle, and in some
cases would indeed be beneficial, the fact is that students seem to
be easily distracted and have short attention spans. The result is
that as soon as you give them this "connection" you can easily lose
them the compelling distraction of the Internet. The other problem
is that they think they are capable of doing it all at once, but
really they aren't without something giving.
Having said that, I am not a proponent of the technical solutions
of somehow selectively denying access. Many have already pointed
out the futility of this approach. We have even talked about having
access denied at certain times based upon class schedule and user
ID. But again, there are too many ways around that.
I tell my students that they can have their laptops and other
devices open and accessible during attendance and breaks etc, but
during the lecture everything has to be shut down. I just tell them
that even though I like to think I'm pretty good, I can't compete
with the Internet.
This becomes tougher in classes where it makes sense to use laptops
to take notes and it has been debated and discussed quite a bit.
Law schools seem to be one example of this.
Pete Morrissey
Syracuse University
-----Original Message-----
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:[email protected]
] On Behalf Of Chuck Keeler
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 8:32 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Blocking iPhones
Wouldn't it be easier (and beneficial) to get faculty to utilize
technology in their classes rather than vilifying it ... or this
too much to ask ... this device is the real connection to the
student?
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Chuck Keeler
-----Original Message-----
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:[email protected]
] On Behalf Of heath.barnhart
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:47 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Blocking iPhones
I'm going to have to go with Jethro on this one. When I was in
class generally you were warned at the beginning of the semester.
Following that, a call during usually resulted in either being
asked to leave or being humiliated by the professor, or both. Also
Neil brings up another point in a later post, what's to keep them
from just jumping on a regular 3G network. I think this should be a
non-technical issue. A technical response is really a waste of time.
Heath
Jethro R Binks wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, Emerson Parker wrote:
The requests I'm seeing is from teachers who don't what people on
their phones in class.
Why are you singling out iPhones?
This sounds like yet another case of technology being asked to
provide a solution to a social or political problem. And that is
generally a recipe if not for disaster, then bad feeling.
How about, and here's me just thinking completely off the top of
my head for the first idea that comes to mind... the teacher asks
people to turn their phones off?
If the request is regularly ignored, then local rules with defined
sanctions should be implemented and enforced.
Jethro.
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Jethro R Binks
Computing Officer, IT Services, University Of Strathclyde,
Glasgow, UK
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