Here's a screen shot from one I did previous to our outdoor deployment
http://www.mpking.com/file/CampusSurvey.png
(Only one I can find right now)


On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Mike King <[email protected]> wrote:

> Ekahau has GPS assisted survey
> http://www.ekahau.com/products/ekahau-site-survey/overview.html
>
> I've used it to map our outdoor Wifi deployment.
>
> You need a GPS, and you need to be a bit careful on how you collect your
> results.  Driving 30MPH inside a car did not necessarily equate to walking
> around with a laptop. (Signal loss from being inside a car, as well as the
> impact on roaming while moving that fast)
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Osborne, Bruce W <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>>  Philippe,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> So, in the US, power line AC is 60Hz and 802.11AC is 5Hz. What
>> propagation range can we expect at sub-audio frequencies?  Will this affect
>> transmission of high fidelity sound on 802.11AC?****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Humorous typo J****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I believe Aruba at one time had a solution (possibly unsupported) for
>> outdoor mapping.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thanks, Philippe.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *Bruce Osborne  *
>> *Network Engineer*
>> *IT Network Services*
>>
>> *(434) 592-4229 *
>>
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>> *Liberty University  |  Training Champions for Christ since 1971* ****
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>>
>> *From:* Hanset, Philippe C [mailto:[email protected]]
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 12, 2012 11:28 AM
>> *Subject:* Report from Educause (the session was not streamed)****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Educause-Denver-2012 was a success. Great topics, amazing Weather, great
>> audience, and even good food!****
>>
>> The following topics were tackled by the Wireless-LAN group within the 50
>> minutes assigned.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Here is the report from our meeting. Thank you to Jeffrey Ballentine from
>> UPenn for taking notes during the meeting.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> •802.11AC Why wait? Why jump?****
>>
>> AC is 5Hz only, the first offering will not support Multi user MIMO (the
>> ability to support multiple devices on different streams) and it might take
>> one more year before Multi User MIMO is supported.****
>>
>> The group was wondering if vendors were already offering AC devices. As
>> usual with Wi-Fi, consumer APs are first available then enterprise grade.
>> ****
>>
>> So, no rush on AC as of today. And really Multi user MIMO seems to be the
>> greatest benefit****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> **•        **How to empower users with Bonjour needs (or more generally
>> speaking: mDNS)? ****
>>
>> Members of the audience are starting to experience demand for support of
>> devices like AppleTV including****
>>
>> Remote control and display mirroring. It seems that as time passes, we
>> won't be able to ignore it ;-)****
>>
>> -mDNSext, the new IETF proposal, looks to be the only non-vendor specific
>> solution in the pipeline (check Neil Johnson's post on this list for more
>> info)****
>>
>> -Otherwise vendor specific solutions range from light control of the
>> multicast traffic to  total control, turning Multicast into Unicast****
>>
>> and even doing identity based mDNSing (all MAC addresses assigned to a
>> specific user can see each other even in different VLANs which can also
>> address****
>>
>> some security concerns if devices are poorly configured)****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> **•        **IP depletion (NAT?, Lease Time?, DHCP server load)****
>>
>> It seems that everyone is using NAT with leases from 10 min to 30 min to
>> answer the growth, and one institution doing 1 day leases without issues.
>> ****
>>
>> Most people do NAT on their Firewall. The issue of logs was raised, but
>> not many concerns there. One institution has a two week retention policy
>> which****
>>
>> doesn't overload the log storage at all!****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> •As a side discussion we talked about RADIUS load...and that is
>> definitely something to watch out for! Many members of the audience
>> reported issues.****
>>
>> One institution is considering putting RADIUS behind a load balancer****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> **•        **How to Deal with devices that cannot do 802.1x****
>>
>> Don't get rid of the NetReg SSID yet it can come to the rescue with
>> non-1x devices****
>>
>> Only one institution was doing 802.1x only.****
>>
>> And many are doing one dedicated SSID with WPA2-PSK for institution owned
>> devices (Scanners, projectors, etc...)****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> **•        **Location Based Services (e.g. IP printing)****
>>
>> No one is using LBS in the audience or has seen a solution that is
>> satisfactory. Do you?****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> **•        **Success Stories with IPv6 on Wi-Fi?****
>>
>> Not much traction there. Someone mentioned one example of a faculty that
>> needed to reach an IPv6 only site in Asia and V6 had to be enabled for that
>> purpose****
>>
>> Some have V6 enable, but no one has a strategy in place. Remember June
>> 6th is IPv6 day...do something!****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> •Is Wireless management slowly moving to the switch? What does it mean
>> for us? (Will it all work with openflow seamlessly?) Any fear of being
>> locked with one vendor****
>>
>> The gartner magic quadrant is now combining Wired and Wireless. Most
>> vendors are offering Wireless and Wired. Controllers can only do so much. A
>> natural evolution****
>>
>> seems to push some of the intelligence of Wireless back to the edge.****
>>
>> We had to  cover that topic really quickly due to lack of time. ****
>>
>> At Tennessee we see the integration of Wireless and Wired as a good thing
>> to have the "traditional" network engineer been involved in wireless. Find
>> Network Engineers****
>>
>> with Wireless expertise is hard, this might address this issue
>> eventually. On the negative side, being locked with one vendor on Wired and
>> Wireless is a deterrent to the adoption of****
>>
>> such an architecture. Time will tell!****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> •Outdoor Heat maps****
>>
>> Someone in the audience needed the ability to plot outdoor heat maps. No
>> one had an answer for a solution. Do you?****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Voila! Comments Welcome.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Best,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Philippe Hanset****
>>
>> Univ. of TN, Knoxville****
>>
>> www.eduroamus.org****
>>
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