In my experience, I've only had two instances of damage. Both in the Freshman dorm, both almost 10 years ago. The first instance of "damage" we used Enterasys Roamabout 2 (R2) access points, it was an AP that you actually stuck a PCMICA card in. (It was a selling feature, where later, 802.11g and A cards were made that allowed the AP, which was initially a B only unit, to support ABG). An enterprising freshman pulled out the 802.11b card, and stuck an 802.11G card. Apparently he was trying to upgrade his speed. :-). Too bad the AP's were code locked to specific wireless adapters.
The second "damage" was some freshman playing football in the hall, clipped a sprinkler head, which was right next the the Wall mounted AP. Never had one take a walk in the 14 years we've been doing this. For what it's worth, we began placing in the Room 8 years ago, when our new crop of dorms were constructed to fallout shelter specs (inside joke). In reality, it was the bathroom being next to the hallway, with the mirror that ran the length of the room. We tried 5 different emplacements in the hallways. Starting with 3 AP's per floor, to ending with 15 AP's per floor. We ended up inside the rooms, and everyone has been happy since. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Michael Cole <[email protected]> wrote: > We’re actually about 80% done with a campus wireless refresh > using a combination of Aruba 225’s, 103H’s ( soon to be replaced with > 205H’s, and 275’s outside. We’ve used access points both in rooms/suites > and in hallways where ever our design called for the best coverage with the > least amount of access points. Over the years we’ve noticed that the > students for the most part leave them alone knowing that they are their > wireless connectivity. In reshalls whether in the rooms or in hallways > none have ever gone missing or been damaged. If one does do missing though > I’d have no problem having housing figure out who’s bill to put it on and > have it replaced. > > > > Mike > > > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Dexter Caldwell > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 2:49 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? > > > > 10-4. I read too quickly, I guess. > > D/C > > On Oct 22, 2014 2:36 PM, "Stewart, Joe" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Dexter, > > > > We currently are stuck with putting them in the hallway. I would prefer > inside the rooms but didn’t get to make that call. > > > > Peter, > > > > You make a good point on the added cost for enclosures. I’m testing the > latest temp deployments to see if the walk away next year. > > > > > > > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ > mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Dexter Caldwell > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:13 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? > > > > I am confused. Maybe I missed something. If you're putting AP's in the > rooms why increasing the power levels rather than decreasing them to avoid > adjacency interferences and excess RRM? Seems counterintuitive to me. The > reason they have poor signal is because they are probably bouncing two > adjacent APs that are broadcasting too loudly rather than just the one in > their room. I also suspect you're going to have to do more manual setting > because the automatic in dorm density rates will simply be too high. > Recall that the algorithms are designed to even out coverage area but not > so well for small concentrated areas that you don't want bleed over not to > occur. > > Dexter Caldwell > Furman University > Director of systems and Networks > > On Oct 22, 2014 1:37 PM, "Stewart, Joe" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Peter, > > Anti-theft. I know it's not common because who wants to shoot themselves > in the foot. It has happened before though once the semester was over and > students left for a few months. > > Ian, > > Yes I'm in the process of manually increasing power levels at this time. > > --Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ > mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:31 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? > > What would be the purpose of the enclosures? > Pete Morrissey > > -----Original Message----- > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ > mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Stewart, Joe > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:21 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? > > We recently renovated some of our dorm buildings. Prior to the renovation > we only had about approximately 4 access points per building due to > legacy/lack of infrastructure. We received tons of complaints as the > demand for wireless continued to grow each year. We have tripled the > amount of access points since I've been employed here. With this in mind we > wanted to just blanket the dorms with access points (15-20 per dorm, Cisco > 3602E & 3702E). One thing I've noticed with this deployment strategy is > that the access points are transmitting between power levels 7 and 8. We > were stuck with deploying all of our hardware above the drop ceiling in the > hallway. I prefer to put them in the rooms but we they are all hard lid > and we always like to keep them out of sight. Hallway deployments are not > ideal with all the mechanical crap in the ceilings not to mention I have to > break tiles to even get to my hardware which makes upgrades/replacements a > complete headache. I'm noticing that the access points have more overlap > with hallway deployments as they have more clear line of site with each > other compared to being inside a room, which is why the power levels aren't > changing much even when I'm turning off radios. > > We have had some students complain saying they can't maintain a stable > connection and when they leave their room and enter the hallway all is > fine. I'm in the process of evaluating things and turning access points > off and trying to line things up staggered across several floors to bump up > the power levels. In dorm rooms that haven't been renovated where students > are experiencing lack of coverage I've been installing a temp access points > inside the room mounted to the wall using a master lock and this has been > working out great. This allows me to gain statistics and proceed with a > plan moving forward. I'm also exploring the following Oberon enclosure for > inside rooms: > http://oberonwireless.com/WebDocs/Model1031-00_Spec_Sheet.pdf > > Joe Stewart > Network Specialist II > Claremont McKenna College > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ > mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W > (Network Services) > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 4:45 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? > > Re: Vandalism, just charge the room members for the damaged AP. It is more > difficult in the hallway installations. > > When we had damaged APs in hallway installations, we just assessed the > damage costs to everyone on the dorm floor until a culprit was identified. > I think, in our case, the offender was always identified. Our APs were > mounted on the hallway walls, but that is no match for ball playing in the > halls. > > I agree with Philippe's points also,. > > Bruce Osborne > Network Engineer - Wireless Team > IT Network Services > > (434) 592-4229 > > LIBERTY UNIVERSITY > Training Champions for Christ since 1971 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Carter [mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]>] > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 3:24 PM > Subject: Re: WLAN design presentation tips? > > We're looking at revamping our "down the hall" model as well as we look to > address 802.11ac (and replacing old Juniper wireless now that they're > getting out of the wireless market). The biggest thing is the ability to > pack APs more densely without signal interference than "down the hall". We > have random spots and wireless "shadows" due to elevators, broom closets, > etc. > > Unfortunately more APs means more cost, but we're weighing using a > slightly lower model to help make up the cost. > > Vandalism is just as likely in the hallways as in the rooms. I think that > if students know that is where their Internet access comes from, they're > not likely to mess with it. Add to that (at least here) there are specific > people to hold responsible for the vandalism rather than anyone walking > down the hallway. > > Thomas Carter > Network and Operations Manager > Austin College > 903-813-2564 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ > mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Kevin McCormick > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 1:47 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? > > We installed in the hallways due to cost, access for maintenance, and > concern of vandalism in room. Coverage from hallway using our design was > excellent. We designed the layout in Cisco Prime. Testing after install > showed the wireless working very well in the rooms, even on 5 Ghz. > Wireless just needs planning and design considerations for the location > and environment. > > -- > Kevin McCormick > uTech Network Services > Western Illinois University > > > On 10/21/2014 12:47 PM, Williams, Matthew wrote: > > I've just started here at Kent State and I'm facing an uphill battle > regarding updating our WLAN design. All APs are deployed in the hallways > and we're rolling out 802.11ac. We'd like to move the APs into the rooms, > but the mere suggestion has been met with resistance. I was just wondering > if any of you had any tips or suggestions for trying presenting the new > model to upper management. 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