If they're severe enough to catch our attention, typically an offer of better
performing guest wireless is enough to convince them to happily pack their
MiFi away.
Now, the *@#*!!? wireless enabled printers, which still keep broadcasting a
hidden SSID when you tell them to turn the radio off are a different story...
Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that
Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong.
Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken
On 08/20/2015 12:08 PM, Lee H Badman wrote:
You're real close to our model and practice as well. What about vendors and
visiting faculty that pop up Mi-Fis without hesitation?
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stories
We don't call out the variants (MiFis, hotspots, Nintendo DS WiFi USB adapter,
etc...). Instead we just focus on anything broadcasting an SSID as
"interfering with or degrading WPI network service", in that it's competing
for scarce airtime.
That said, we *don't* launch countermeasures against anything that comes up.
We simply have far too many edge cases (networks from adjacent buildings in
residential areas, misconfigured Windows machines silently creating ad-hoc
networks, legitimate research projects that didn't know any better...),
especially in any kind of automated fashion. Instead we monitor the reports,
both in the system and word of mouth. Anything we find we then address with a
light hand, typically no more than a light slap on the wrist unless we find
evidence that they're willfully going against the rules.
Having the AUP in place and enforceable (at least on our own community
members, as opposed to random visitors) does give us critical leverage to make
this all work.
Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that
Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong.
Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken
On 08/20/2015 11:25 AM, Lee H Badman wrote:
Does that include MiFis?
Lee H. Badman
Network Architect/Wireless TME
ITS, Syracuse University
315.443.3003
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Students should be a relatively easy case. At least here, we make them sign
an AUP, which references explicit provisions about not running unauthorized APs.
Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that
Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong.
Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken
On 08/20/2015 11:19 AM, Philippe Hanset wrote:
We need to wait on an unfortunate school to be sued by a student due to Mi-Fi
blocking in a Residential Property
-Student:
I pay rent, I can do whatever I want in my room
-School:
We provide “free” Wi-FI to all rooms and the interferences are becoming
unmanageable
to a point where we have more trouble tickets than packets being successfully
sent or received.
We had to do something.
-Lawyers:
Either way, we will cash on this!
-FCC:
So, we have an Interferer being interfered by another interferer. Could
Scott Adams please give us some wisdom on this
Philippe
Philippe Hanset
On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Lee H Badman <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It's a good point, and there was a bit of chatter on this on Twitter. The
FCC has left the whole thing way too open-ended given the popularity of
Wi-Fi, and a lot of topics bleed over on to each other.
I'd be surprised if they responded in any way- the preference seems to be to
ambush users with fines.
*Lee H. Badman*
Network Architect/Wireless TME
ITS, Syracuse University
315.443.3003
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Lee,
I just read your Open Letter. Good work. Thank you.
One question that I have for future reference is:
“What constitutes blocking?”
You mention White Noise or Frame manipulation…
What if building owners have frequency blocking material as part of the
design of the building.
This could be considered passive blocking as opposed to white noise or frame
manipulation but it is blocking regardless.
We might want to know the FCC point of view on this before we create “wave
free classrooms”!
Best,
Philippe
Philippe Hanset
www.eduriam.us <http://www.eduriam.us/>
On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:16 AM, Lee H Badman <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I'm trying to get the FCC's attention on this:
https://wirednot.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/an-open-letter-to-the-fcc/
-Lee
*Lee H. Badman*
Network Architect/Wireless TME
ITS, Syracuse University
315.443.3003
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I know it's two weeks later, but Smart Holdings just got smacked by the FCC
for the same thing. (Which is probably why you were asking)
http://gizmodo.com/its-about-damn-time-fcc-says-convention-centers-cant-b-1724805719?dfp_pp_ab=on&dfp_desktop_three=off&utm_expid=66866090-43.E9Bjfd6NTuSlXJewu2e_Ig.1&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Bob Brown<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>wrote:
I’m looking to follow up on aseries of stories we ran in late
2014/early 2015
<http://www.networkworld.com/article/2879142/wireless/fcc-still-has-ton-of-explaining-to-do-on-wi-fi-blocking-rules.html>on
the Marriott Wifi blocking issue. To refresh, the FCC fined Marriott
for blocking a Wifi hotspot (or hotspots) at one of its hotel
convention centers. The incident sparked quite a bit of discussion on
this listserv, as university/college network pros wondered whether
their own Wifi management/security practices would now be considered
legit and whether the products they were using could still be used.
*I’ve followed up with Marriott, whose CIO kicked me over to public
relations, which naturally declined to comment.
*The hospitality industry trade group had said at the time of the
FCC/Marriott decisions that it was going to launch a cybersecurity task
force to study this topic further, but they haven’t responded to my
inquiries, so I’m not sure whether such a task force was formed and if
so, whether it has accomplished anything.
*The FCC has been unresponsive on this matter entirely.
*I’ve contacted WLAN vendors that I spoke to for some of the original
articles to see if anything has changed on their end since the start of
the year and they haven’t had much to say so far.
So, based on all this, I don’t have much of an update to write about at
this point…perhaps exactly what these parties would like.
But, I’m also wondering if any of you who were trying to figure out
earlier this year what the FCC decision/Marriott response meant to you,
have taken any new approaches to managing/security Wifi on your
campuses. If so, and you’d be willing to share your story, please touch
base (or feel free to share with the listserv if appropriate).
Regards,
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