Good info…thanks, John! I did want to mention that for our 1810Ws, we are enabling the LAN ports so the students can plug in wired devices. We had to go through a couple different iterations of how that was going to work due to the fact that we wanted those ports to drop out on the building wired vlan (as opposed to the AP vlan), but after going to AP groups we’ve been pretty solid on that front.
We also connected the pass-thru port since we had existing wired connections – 1 per pillow. In the new building, to save on switch ports, we are not planning to connect the pass-thru ports, though. -dan Dan Brisson Network Engineer University of Vermont From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Watters, John Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:28 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings On a tangentially related subject we are using Cisco 702Ws under the table tops in large auditorium-style classrooms with good success so far. The fixed seating tables have a cable tray that runs from one aisle to the next that we use to run our wiring. There is another cell in this tray that caries power to standard 110 VAC outlets that are under the back of the table between every pair of seats. We position the AP on a half depth plastic wall outlet box between the cable tray and the front modesty shield. No damages by kicking or knees so far. In our testing you seem to hurt yourself before you hurt the APs. With power cut way down and most of the 2.4 GHz radios cut off they seem to offer good coverage and performance. Also cheaper, easier to service, and visually more appealing (you can’t see them) that high ceiling mounted APs, with or without external antennas. We will use 1810Ws for the next room like this. The 1810Ws are slightly wider and longer, but still would have fit in the space that we had to work with using the 702Ws. BTW, there is a kit available (Cisco AIR-SEC-50=) that fits both the 702Ws & the 1810Ws. It contains 50 of the miniscule security screws that hold the AP on the mounting plate and 50 RJ45 plugs (with a set of 2 keys) that can block the wired Ethernet ports. The 702W has 4 RJ45 ports and the 1810W has 5. The kit is priced at $129 list -- sort of pricey for 50 screws (which is why we had to buy a couple of these). John Watters Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama<https://www.ua.edu/> A115 Gordon Palmer Hall Box 870346 Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 Phone 205-348-3992<tel:205-348-3992> john.watt...@ua.edu<mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu> [The University of Alabama]<https://www.ua.edu/> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ian Lyons Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 1:16 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings We have cable TV and drilled out a 3/8 hole int eh side and mounted a Coax adapter for use. I imagine over time that will not be necessary, but we have not cut the cord yet. The wall jack and metal plate for the AP are mounted to the wall with 3 inch screws. We are mostly dry wall in the dorms, so the box gets ripped off the wall. The space of the box is enough room for the 1 foot cable and the Coax. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jason Watts Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 10:34 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings Can anyone share the mounting brackets for either 702w or 1810w that you’re using? It sounds like some have a bracket or enclosure that surrounds either the whole AP or at least obscures the ethernet ports. Is it just the standard mount or something extra or 3rd party? On Oct 27, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Danny Eaton <dannyea...@rice.edu<mailto:dannyea...@rice.edu>> wrote: We’ve got about 200 or so 702W deployed in various rooms. We’ve had no issues with them being damaged, disappearing, or being knocked off the walls. They are mounted down low, even, around the same height as an electrical outlet. So far, no one has complained of “I don’t feel so well”, etc. We installed them in the “holes” where the 1142/3502/3702 already installed (hallways) were not providing satisfactory coverage, so not every other room, but pretty close. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Sullivan, Don Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:07 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings Our experience is in line with this statement. We use the Cisco 702 APs and have found when they do get knocked off of the wall the APs do not suffer any damage. I have seen a couple of messed up mounting brackets but the APs themselves were still working just fine. This has occurred about 4 or 5 times over the last 2 and ½ years. We have around 700 of these APs deployed in the dorms. Don Sullivan Network Administrator Samford University 205-726-2111 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ian Lyons Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:53 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings The AP’s are pretty sturdy. The mounting kits we used, those get knocked about and will require repair. Past experience with wall wart (boxes that stick out) in dorm rooms is that the mountings will get bashed about ~10% From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:51 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings Not to speak for Hector, but I think the concern here is physical damage. That’s an interesting topic as here we’re used to ceiling mount APs that are generally out of the way. However, we have a few hallway phones (admittedly higher on the wall), and probably 15%-20% get damaged or knocked off the wall every year. Would the students be any more careful about APs at outlet or desk level? Thomas Carter Network & Operations Manager / IT Austin College 900 North Grand Avenue Sherman, TX 75090 Phone: 903-813-2564 www.austincollege.edu<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.austincollege.edu_&d=DQMFAg&c=GTxgfYI6i4KYikqC6GK_Jzn2mYGEh-v4HEPYCyQcJzU&r=gESFfxkz83JEIAAPJ78hwRDbYXa0egqYOhaeRMDNKZQ&m=YG1o1QA_qHRwclwhT8XaUH_ECFtT1_FoI27AFWImtWY&s=cyVF5yOeWTthFow8SxhwfTxhoewhrE4C5Tp7ZHZvY64&e=> <image001.gif> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ian Lyons Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 7:52 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings They are designed to cover the room itself. Rollins has found that it does do that, even with the furniture covering it. It actually helps limit the signal propagation (2.4). Ian From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:36 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings One of my biggest concerns has always been the height at which these WAPs get installed (as you mentioned, 1.5ft). In most of our residential buildings, the data ports happen to be right behind desks that are provided by ResLife and the desks have covers in the back that essentially would bump against the WAP. Not to mention the fact that as furniture gets moved around, there is always the potential of knocking down the WAP. I wonder how has already deployed them in a similar fashion and what the experience has been? If you end up using them, I’d be curious to see how things work out. Best, Hector Rios Louisiana State University From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Devyn Moore Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:49 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings All, Our housing department wants us to look at these for wide-scale deployment in 11 residence halls within the next 2-3 years due to cost reduction in cable installation with our previous designs. This will be a one AP per room deployment utilizing current wiring infrastructure, where Aps were previously in the hallways (2600, 3500). We’re planning to configure the cells to a lower transmit power as well as assigning channels based on zero occupancy with 20MHz channels. Our ability to get into these buildings in order to resolve rogue issues is severely limited already because we are required to have a Residential Technician (from the housing department) with us when visiting student rooms. That’s only going to get worse when we lose visibility that we currently have with our current deployments in the halls. We’re also not planning to enable the ethernet ports because those aren’t in scope for the Proof of Concept due to crashed timelines provided by the department. We’re currently running 8.0.133.0 and have been incredibly stable (no AVC, no IPv6, 802.1x for primary SSID, web auth guest). We don’t use ISE, but use FreeRADIUS for wireless auth. We’re running two pairs of Hot/Standby 8510s with a mixture of 2600, 2700, 3500, 3600 and 3700 series APs, but would like to start integrating 2800 and 3800 series APs – separate from the housing request. I am targeting 8.2.121.7 for our upgrade in order to get around some bugs that I’ve seen mentioned here as we also start testing 2800/3800 in our environment. Has anyone had any issues with 1810w in dense cell deployments like residential hall buildings? Issues with damaged devices due to installation locations on wall approximately 1.5ft (45cm) from the floor? Have there been any issues with SSO HA with 8.2.121.7? Anything else you’d like to share about the 1810ws? 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