I’d pay a fair price for an easily administered solution that lets us roll out PPSK in the dorms and deploy broadcast/multicast domains scoped to specific users.
We run eduroam and a completely open guest SSID. The open SSID has no captive portal, no click through terms of services, and no restrictions on Internet access for content or speed. That SSID bridges through to VLANs in a DMZ, and its only real restriction is that it can only reach proper public IP addresses on campus, plus 2-3 applications on private IPs that are specifically permitted. That’s enforced on the firewalls between campus and the DMZ. We do see quite a lot of students on that SSID permanently. As a huge amount of our student applications are either cloud hosted or available on the public Internet, that works just fine for them. We’d prefer them on eduroam, but user experience trumps our preferences. The only real problem are devices such as Sonos sound bars, Google appliances, and other devices that will only support PSKs for wireless. For those we don’t have a solution right now. Once WPA3/OWE is out and widely supported I genuinely don’t know how much we’ll care about where devices are. At that point it seems not just more user friendly but easier for IT overall to just throw reasonable security in front of web apps that the student and faculty population need to access, and let them sit on the SSID that’s easier to get on to. Administrative machines under central control would probably be kept on properly authenticated networks, but those are easier to solve if you have reasonable mass device management options. For what it’s worth, we use the eduroam CAT tool for onboarding. thx, Felix Windt Dartmouth College From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of "Rumford, Charles" <charl...@isc.upenn.edu> Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Date: Thursday, September 12, 2019 at 2:26 PM To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Feasibility of an open SSID for student use I agree that complicated onboarding is the worst from the end user perspective and a pain to manage. I started designing a PPSK/MPSK design to take over our primary 802.1x network. The biggest hurdle I ran into with it was the randomization of MAC addresses for device. I've been told Android 10 has it on by default,and I know that windows support also. I could only see issues from a support issue coming down the line. O need to spend some more research time with it. -- Charles Rumford IT Architect ISC Tech Services University of Pennsylvania OpenPGP Key ID: 0xF3D8215A (Sent from Mobile) ________________________________ From: "Enfield, Chuck" <cae...@psu.edu> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 14:11 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Feasibility of an open SSID for student use Seconded. And for those who think that security is more important than the user experience in some cases, I wouldn’t argue, but I would point out that an improperly configured 1x device puts the user’s credentials at risk. 802.1x isn’t all upside from a security perspective either. Chuck From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:46 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Feasibility of an open SSID for student use I’ve never been a fan of the complicated onboarding. It’s intrusive, and unlike any other wireless experience an individual will encounter in their life i.e. any other wifi-enabled location/venue. With the growing trend of EDUs moving to SaaS and other Cloud solutions, wireless will be nothing but a gateway to those external services. When it’s easier to consume those services via one’s own unlimited-data cellular connection, or go to Starbucks, it may be time for us (EDU’s) to reevaluate our approach. Besides a purely open network, the next-best (same?) experience to home would be something like PPSK or for the Cisco folks IPSK. You get something slightly better than an open network, but it’s PSK and all of those wonderful IoT devices just work. My crystal ball wish is to have that PPSK/IPSK solution then group that user’s devices into a private virtual home network, providing something that approaches their home experience. Jeff From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of Kurtis Olsen <kurtis.ol...@uvu.edu> Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Date: Thursday, September 12, 2019 at 9:27 AM To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Feasibility of an open SSID for student use We have been receiving a lot of complaints about a complicated onboarding process and have been asked to look at providing an Open SSID that has little to no onboarding. I see an advantage being the ease of connecting but I have some concerns, mainly about providing a secure environment. Our current onboarding process works like this. Users connect to our Wolverine-WIFI SSID. 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