I think somebody's due for a juice box. Elliot
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of HMM Meganet Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 12:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [BAWUG] pubic hot spots - Goingo to add 1000 this year yes yes yes, that is exactly what I thought, you can offend but don�t permit to be offended, that is a really good message here. Who says that something has to be free what can not be free, in fact is obstructing and offending. Who tells that something what costs money has to be free is once for all not part of any system or has any other problem of general understandings. In order to give away services for nothing you need to get the equipment for free, employees for free, the backbone for free, tax free and everything free. Such kind of business model does not exist anymore since Russia broke down. Who gives something for free has interests. Who gives something for free hides the costs in other services or products, so for free is nothing. So sweepstakes are ever incitements in order to blind the customer. The client which then bites the bait should really pay his cleverness. Here is nothing to do, but worse a professional, who claimes and speaks that services must be for free. This person can not be part of any serious company. A serious company ever should take care of customer satisfaction and that is in fact not possible for free. So I suggest it�s time to wake up and change your mind. If not you�re welcome to work for free in my company in order to show me your sincerity ... Subject: Re: [BAWUG] pubic hot spots - Goingo to add 1000 this year > Personal attacks are bad form, dude. It's reasonable to disagree minus the name > calling. > > Here's an example. Your response is very emotionally, so it's clear you have > strong feelings on this subject. I agree with Dan to the extend that the > Internet economy would have been better served by being charged for the > connection and use of services, content or applications, rather than "access" to > free content and services. This would have driven the necessity to innovate in > applications and services rather than control of access technologies. One of > the reasons the US hasn't evolved in advanced technologies like wireless and iTV > is that we have the strongest wireline infrastructure in the world and flat rate > access to the PSTN. There are other reasons clearly, but this is one. > > ...Debi > > HMM Meganet wrote: > > > Are you a communist or sick? Today people and companies work for money. > > Before blowing out such a crap you should spend some money, if you have, and > > build a company and really do what you say here and then we see if you still > > do it for free. When somebody offers something for free he has other > > interests but nothing so far is for free. > > > > > |Yessir, Boingo is a smart company. Make people pay for something they > > > |can get for free: Internet access. In the coming years, Internet access > > > |will become as free as water, and available at nearly the same amount of > > > |locations as water is. Okay, not quite. > > > > > > I wouldn't count on this. During the transition of the internet from > > academic > > > and government/support use to public access the entities that were to > > become > > > the wireline ISPs were quite inventive in finding ways to interpose > > themselves > > > (and their fees) between the net and the end user. Initially they > > leveraged > > > the old notion of authorized users to claim that you had no right to > > connect > > > to the new and improved internet unless you were their customer. Then > > they > > > created routing cabals to insure that your routes would not be carried > > unless > > > you were in the club. Much of this was done in the name of technical > > necessity, > > > but the zeal with which they went after "indirect customers" (both in > > contract > > > terms and in practice) suggests otherwise. At the time I (and I assume > > many > > > others) had hoped that the internet would evolve in a more mesh-connected > > > pattern with access being "free" in the sense that you would have to pay > > only > > > for the wire to a friendly partner. But deviation from a strict hierarchy > > > threatened ISP profits, and between contract terms and peering agreements > > > they made it virtually impossible to "just connect": even if you could > > find > > > someone who didn't mind risking their connection by violating their > > service > > > contract you couldn't route to your own addresses through them. > > > > > > Now with wireless the medium has changed but the politics haven't. > > (Granted > > > there has also been a technical paradigm shift in the sense that nobody > > expects > > > to have and route their own address space, and this makes control of > > routes > > > less significant. But that's in the nature of a small silver lining in a > > bad > > > cloud of lost functionality.) In any case, just because the cost of the > > > (virtual) wire may seem to have fallen to zero, don't assume the ISPs will > > > roll over. The cost of the wire was never the real obstacle. All the > > same > > > arguments that were used the first time around are still available plus > > there > > > are some new ones: the spectrum has to be managed by professionals for > > the > > > good of everyone or chaos and interference will result, a > > randomly-connected > > > network allows bad guys to be too anonymous, think of the children, etc. > > So > > > maybe Boingo is smart after all. Profit in the ISP business has > > historically > > > come from making people pay for something that would be mostly free were > > it > > > not for the efforts of the companies making the profit... > > > > > > Dan Lanciani > > > ddl@danlan.*com > > > -- > > > general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> > > > [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > -- > > general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> > > [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > -- > general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> > [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
