Answer is simple: servers are also verboten, per another section of the SA,
so the issue of filtering is moot.

They certainly have not been enforcing the prohibition on home networks that
don't cough-up $5 per connection per month, and while I'm not sure that they
can PROVE that you are NAT'ing out very easily, if your MAC OUI (is it?)
says "LinkSys", well what could that be now?

I also have heard of people running servers at a low level, so that they can
get at home machines, and even personal e-mail, and haven't had any trouble.

I have presumed that, at some point, they would feel they had won the
broadband wars, and would start to put the screws on, the way we have gone
from "pretty please use our credit card" to "that will be $1.50 to access
our machine".  Wonder what sort of landlord Comcast will be.

Ken Meyer


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Enrique LaRoche
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 4:51 PM
To: Scott Douglass; [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: RE: [BAWUG] anyone ever get in trouble with AT&T?

IF you just have an open AP it is the responsibility of the people outside
of your infrastructure.

Wired or Wireless if you have a splitter and someone hooks up to it without
your knowlege, it is not your job to be the Cable police.

I wonder if you were to share your Fileserver with a neighbor, would AT&T
require your packet filter to make sure the neighbor could only use your
server and printer and not email?


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:12 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [BAWUG] anyone ever get in trouble with AT&T?


Anyone ever heard of people being charged under section 7(g) of the AT&T
BI (cable modem) service agreement?

Is there any way they can know if you're violating the agreement anyway?

7...
(c) Multiple Users. The Service and the AT&T Broadband Equipment shall
be used only by Customer and by members of Customer's immediate
household living with Customer at the same address. Customer
acknowledges that Customer is executing this Agreement on behalf of all
persons who use the AT&T Broadband Equipment and/or Service by means of
the Customer Equipment. Customer shall have sole responsibility for
ensuring that all such other users understand and comply with the terms
and conditions of this Agreement. Customer further acknowledges and
agrees that Customer is solely responsible for and liable for any and
all breaches of the terms and conditions of this Agreement, whether such
breach is the result of use of the Service and/or the AT&T Broadband
Equipment by Customer or by any other user of the Customer Equipment.
Customer agrees to indemnify, defend and hold harmless AT&T Broadband
and its affiliates against all claims and expenses (including reasonable
attorney fees) arising out of the use of the Service and/or the AT&T
Broadband Equipment or the breach of this Agreement by Customer or any
other user of the Customer Equipment.

(g) Theft of Service. Customer shall not connect the Service or any AT&T
Broadband Equipment to more computers, either on or outside of the
Premises, than are reflected in Customer's account with AT&T Broadband.
Customer acknowledges that any unauthorized receipt of the Service
constitutes theft of service, which is a violation of federal law and
can result in both civil and criminal penalties. In addition, if the
violations are willful and for commercial advantage or private financial
gain, the penalties may be increased.

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