Curious if anyone has any feedback on firetide's mesh routers?  thanks.

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Canopy doesn't mesh.  They certainly play down the LOS aspect which is very
real in this instance.  You need a high and clear mast, building roof is
better.

The Canopy solution has expandability, robustness and security all
engineered in, and as such, is one viable alternative to 802.11b.   And for
short range  <2Mile LOS building to building secure hops, it is a slam dunk.

Cheers Nigel

Nigel Ballard
Joejava Wireless Consultancy
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Subject: Re: [BAWUG] canopy


On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 02:47:24PM -0400, Russell Nelson wrote:
>  > Right.  They will have to subsidize the hardware as well as the
>  > bandwidth.
>
> Why?  People manage to purchase a car.  Those who want one manage to
> purchase a computer.  Why would someone not be able to afford $800 for
> CPE?  It's cheaper than a lawn tractor.

Indeed; and as someone has pointed out, it's closer to $500.

*I* could sell that.

And indeed, I might well try.

>  > > Where did you see hints of mesh architecture?  The "User Manual" and
>  > > "Online Demo" links don't work for me.  I filled out an info request
>  > > last week and have received nothing so far.
>  >
>  > Not sure where Russell did.  I don't belive they use one.
>
> I didn't see any mention of backhaul from the access points
> themselves.  Okay, so if the access points don't need a backhaul, they
> gotta retransmit from other access points, right?

It's a nested star arrangement from what I can see: you home the users
on a "ecll site"; 1 or more reecivers on mid-band for the customers;
then a backhaul radio on hi-band (do I have the segments right?) up to
20 miles with 2 dishes to your hub.  Multiple hubs could probably
combine to other backhaul radios to your NOC.  I presume you'd want to
avoid wires entirely if you could.  Location leases are more stable
than telco's these days.  ;-)

>  > > Will 5.2-7 Ghz punch through neighborhood trees better than 2.4 Ghz?
>  >
>  > Nope.  Freespace loss is also 7 dB greater but the modulation scheme
>  > will be better than DSSS or OFDM to interference.  It may not works
>  > as well with multipath as OFDM.
>
> Yup (in the sense that Tim is correct).  That's why you really really
> gotta have a mesh architecture.  In my town, from an arbitrary house
> you can see maybe the two or three neighbor's houses across the
> street.  Going up doesn't help you because the trees are taller than
> the houses.

And to clarify here, what everyone means by "mesh" is "digipeaters",
right?

> For wireless to work in my community, you need to have what amount to
> lots of repeaters just to get the signal to a wired point.

Guess so.  :-)

Cheers,
-- jra
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