See, thats my point.  It doesn't, and the math proves it.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Jim
> 
> I did not follow up to your email this was to Ivan's, did not even see your email. 
> In general the rule works and anyone that is in
> the field can test the results, its simple as that.
> 
> Sincerely,  Tony Morella 
> Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider 
> Office: 908-996-7995 Fax: 908-847-0202
> http://www.demarctech.com 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:56 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: 'Ivan Bojer'; 'BayArea Wireless UserGroup'
> Subject: RE: [BAWUG] Antenna db gain and range
> 
> 
> in theory, the path-loss coefficient in LOS is 2.0.
> 
> In practice, its never that low (except under constrained examples).
> 
> I gave a general equation (that is simple to use) yesterday.  You followed up with 
> something that doesn't even apply except in the
> most unique of circumstance.
> 
> jim
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > Jim
> > 
> > As I said this is a rule of thumb and mainly for outdoor LOS setups. 
> > This is what most wisp uses, as do we, for a general idea for judging distances 
> > and in the field it works well.
> > 
> > Sincerely,  Tony Morella
> > Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
> > Office: 908-996-7995 Fax: 908-847-0202 http://www.demarctech.com
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Thompson
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 5:47 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: 'Ivan Bojer'; 'BayArea Wireless UserGroup'
> > Subject: RE: [BAWUG] Antenna db gain and range
> > 
> > 
> > This is only (ever) true if your path-loss coefficient is '2.0', which 
> > it almost never is.  In fact, in "metro-urban" environments, it can be 4.0, or 
> > higher, and indoor office environments typically
> range between 3.0 adn 3.5 (but can go higher).
> > 
> > If your path-loss coefficient is 4.0, then your 6dBm of additional 
> > ERIP will only get you 1.5dB more in range, or about 1.4X the range of the 
> > solution that is down 6dBm in EIRP.
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > > A simple rule of thumb is every 3dBm doubles your power and every 6dBm doubles 
> > > your distance.
> > > 
> > > Sincerely,  Tony Morella
> > > Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
> > > Office: 908-996-7995 Fax: 908-847-0202 http://www.demarctech.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ivan Bojer
> > > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 3:37 PM
> > > To: BayArea Wireless UserGroup
> > > Subject: [BAWUG] Antenna db gain and range
> > > 
> > > I know this question is very vague, but still I wonder if there is an answer to 
> > > it.
> > > 
> > > Is there a theoretical formula that links antenna dB gain with 
> > > increase in maximum range of the wireless signal. I understand that 
> > > in theory RF signal range is infinity, but I can not figure out if 
> > > there is a correlation between antenna dB gain and signal range at
> > certain frequency. Following the common logic it is obvious that range will 
> > increase as antenna has better dB gain, but how much?
> > > 
> > > A formula for electric field goes something like: 
> > > E=9500*power/distance (I might be wrong about this), but this does not take in 
> > > account the frequency of our signal.
> > > 
> > > P.S. I am not concerned with terrain configuration, weather condition, and other 
> > > factors at this time.
> > > 
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