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Cliff Skolnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Before everyone goes out and duplicates work, there are many
presentation on the BAWUG site. You can also check out
www.toaster.net/wireless for some best practices documents.

Cheers,
Cliff

On Oct 28, 2004, at 4:16 PM, Joshua Marker wrote:

>
> That's a fantastic idea - we need to add that to our list of likely
> user-types, for preparation of a whitepaper on the topic.
>
> Home users
> Home users who want to share
> Businesses who want to set up
> Home users who want to work on larger network / tech issues
>
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2004, at 11:48, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>>
>> This sounds really interesting. I might even become active in the
>> organization :). I would love to see the BAWG become a real resource
>> (advisory, online information/training) for small local businesses who
>> want to setup and provide free wireless for their customers.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Angel S. Viloria III
>> Training Services Project Manager
>> Knowledge is Security:
>> http://www.sonicwall.com/img/TrnFlash/sw_sonicU.html
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Subject: [BAWUG] Southbay Tech Night...?
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>>
>> I think the idea of some small, local meetings with some how-to and
>> general discussion sounds great. There's a great place in downtown
>> Campbell, Orchard Valley Coffee that I am sure would love to have a
>> group in there- they have been providing free wireless for a while
>> now.
>>
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>> Today's Topics:
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>> 1. tech help meetings - Handout on creating free hotspots
>> (Joshua Marker)
>> 2. Community meetings (Joshua Marker)
>> 3. Re: Best hardware for cheap/fast bridging? (Jim Thompson)
>> 4. Re: tech help meetings - Handout on creating free hotspots
>> (Eric Walstad)
>> 5. Re: Good SFLAN node (Eric Walstad)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:28:19 -0700
>> From: Joshua Marker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: [BAWUG] tech help meetings - Handout on creating free
>> hotspots
>> To: Bay Area Wireless Users Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>>
>> I'm thinking the best way to start this stuff off is to start
>> locally,
>> with small meetings. If I had an evening in Noe Valley, for example,
>> where everyone was welcome to come chat about what they were doing,
>> who
>> would come? There is a new place on Dolores that has free wireless
>> that
>> would love the business - I think that would be my first choice.
>>
>> We should be able to provide, on our website and in print,
>> simple
>> documents explaining to Joe Public how to make his NAP free to the
>> neighborhood, and include all sorts of guerilla good-network-neighbor
>> stuff -- how to pick a channel, how to name your network so people can
>> contact you (without endangering yourself), etc.
>>
>> So this is two questions: How many people would show up to a
>> basic
>> wireless techfest and meet 'n greet in Noe/Mission next week, say
>> Tuesday? If I could get a couple people to show up and answer
>> questions, I'll go talk to the cafe and put up a sign.
>>
>> Second, what tips would you give Joe Q Public about opening up
>> his
>> wireless? What questions should we answer? I'll collect them, and
>> prepare a doc. Does BAWUG have a decent logo, or do I have to generate
>> some travesty of something based on the golden gate bridge and
>> wireless
>> radio waves? Don't make me do it; I will.
>>
>>
>> -- Never offend people with style when you can offend them with
>> substance.
>> -- Sam Brown, Washington Post
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>> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:31:18 -0700
>> From: Joshua Marker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: [BAWUG] Community meetings
>> To: Bay Area Wireless Users Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> It seems to me that BAWUG/SFLAN have some enormously technically
>>
>> talented people involved. But that their development has both stalled,
>> probably because only the terribly technical people originally
>> involved
>> have reached their carrying capacity in terms of attention.
>>
>> I think, however, that wireless in the bay area has a ways to
>> go.
>> Those guys in Portland are seriously showing us up.
>>
>> To this end, I suggest we take a look at what they're doing that
>> we're
>> not. I'm looking for input on getting more _user_ involvement to take
>> the burden off these guys and get the local network going, both in
>> terms of increasing the number of Joe Publics making free hotspots and
>> increasing links to SFLAN. A glance through Portland's site shows what
>> they're doing:
>>
>> 1) Meetings, both user-level and developer-level
>> 2) Organization. I'm not sure how much org there is. I think quite a
>> lot in SFLAN, but it seems to be tightly held. I can't, for example,
>> find any info about what IP layout they use, etc, etc.
>>
>> It seems to me the goal of a wireless group should be to
>> encourage any
>> kind of adoption, from getting people to put up SFLAN nodes (clearly a
>> big win) to simply sharing their DSL. To this end, we need to make it
>> _easy_ for people to walk up the wireless path.
>>
>> First, we need simple hand-holding explanations of what Joe User
>> can
>>
>> do to put up a WAP and share his connection with his neighbor. This
>> entails getting an ISP that doesn't mind, buying the tools, choosing
>> the best channel, and securing their own machines. I think there will
>> be a hand-out document* in the future here on this topic, but the best
>> way to do research is to start helping people.
>>
>> Second, I know I'd like to see more of a plan, more info on what
>> SFLAN
>> is about and what their future direction is. It's hard to know it
>> right
>> now. To this end, Friday, I'll go down to archive.org and bother the
>> fine gents at SFLAN, if I can find them, and see if I can fill the
>> gaps
>> in my knowledge. I'd like to see some network infrastructure plans,
>> get
>> a sense of how this all goes down. Ideally, this should be
>> semi-documented, but I'm not sure how best to go about it or what they
>> have done already.
>>
>> Third (I lied, there are three, I just thought of this):
>> Recognition.
>> Nobody knows to whom they should turn if they want to set up a
>> wireless
>> link. Many of the local cafes are already starbucked, which is a
>> shame,
>> because they both advertise and encourage if you get them in. A logo?
>> Something to add to warchalking (does anyone warchalk anymore?) How
>> can
>> we let people know about what they could do for/with community
>> wireless? I think if we get a little bit of organization, we could
>> arrange an interview by eg the Guardian, and drive up membership or
>> interest. We'll need an active group before that's smart, though.
>>
>> In the mean time, I think we need to light a fire. Mr.
>> Pretorious has
>> offered a meeting spot for a bigger, full-scale meeting, in Freemont.
>> Does anyone have one in San Francisco? I think we'd get more people.
>>
>> --
>> Don't be afraid to take a big step if one is indicated. You can't
>> cross
>> a chasm in two small jumps. -- David Lloyd George
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>> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:58:24 -1000
>> From: Jim Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [BAWUG] Best hardware for cheap/fast bridging?
>> To: Eric Pretorious <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> Eric Pretorious wrote:
>>> On Tuesday 26 October 2004 03:40 pm, Chris Weiss wrote:
>>>
>>>> We're looking to connect our office LANs on two adjacent floors
>>>> using
>>>> a wireless connection (the current cat-5 snaking out the window is
>>>> not
>>
>>>> going to cut it when the weather _really_ gets sour).
>>>
>>>
>>> Omnidirectional antennas are *generally* optimized to focus their
>>> beams in
>> the
>>> horizontal plane. i.e., The beam radiation pattern looks like a
>>> squashed
>>> donut. Therefore, two devices directly above/below each other will
>>> not
>> be
>>> able to communicate efficiently because they will be in each others'
>>> donut-hole.
>>
>> This is typically an effect of increased gain, not any "optimization".
>>
>> Further, the path loss between two devices (antennas) placed directly
>> above each other will be quite low, so even with the loss in
>> directivity, communication will probably still take place.
>>
>>>
>>>> Amazon's got the Linksys WRT-54G for ~$60/ea...
>>>
>>> IMHO: An excellent piece of equipment for residential use but I don't
>>> know
>>
>>> about commerical applications. WPA (TKIP or AES), DHCP, detachable
>>> dual
>>> antennas.
>> It has all this. (Not that I think its much of an AP...)
>>
>>>
>>>> We'd also like to keep our existing wifi access, which leads to
>>>> another Q - I've heard that just the presence of 802.11b devices in
>>>> an
>>
>>>> 802.11g environment will drop everyone to b speeds, is that right?
>>
>> For sure if an 11b device associates to an 11g AP, then the AP and its
>> associated 11g STAs must start sending protection frames before any
>> data
>>
>> frame(s).
>>
>> While this doesn't drop everyone to 11b speeds, it does slow
>> throughput
>> down quite a bit.
>>
>> The alternative is massive interference for everyone.
>>
>>>
>>> Set the different networks on different channels:
>>>
>>> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1152281,00.asp
>>
>> What you don't know can hurt you. Most 11g devices don't have enough
>> ACR at the higher modulation rates to allow simultaneous operation on
>> ch11 and ch1. (Anything closer is a bigger mess.)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:56:59 -0700
>> From: Eric Walstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [BAWUG] tech help meetings - Handout on creating free
>> hotspots
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>> On Wednesday 27 October 2004 05:28 pm, Joshua Marker wrote:
>>> I'm thinking the best way to start this stuff off is to start
>>> locally, with small meetings. If I had an evening in Noe Valley, for
>>> example, where everyone was welcome to come chat about what they were
>>> doing, who would come? There is a new place on Dolores that has free
>>> wireless that would love the business - I think that would be my
>>> first
>>
>>> choice.
>> Count me in. I'm in Bernal Heights, so Noe would be a nice bike ride
>> for me.
>>
>>
>>> We should be able to provide, on our website and in print, simple
>>> documents explaining to Joe Public how to make his NAP free to the
>>> neighborhood, and include all sorts of guerilla good-network-neighbor
>>> stuff -- how to pick a channel, how to name your network so people
>>> can
>>
>>> contact you (without endangering yourself), etc.
>> Consider me Joe Public. I'm happy to be the test case. I've done
>> some of this stuff, but I've done so in a vacuum and would like to
>> see how others are doing it.
>>
>>
>>> So this is two questions: How many people would show up to a basic
>>> wireless techfest and meet 'n greet in Noe/Mission next week, say
>>> Tuesday? If I could get a couple people to show up and answer
>>> questions, I'll go talk to the cafe and put up a sign.
>> I'll show up, but I'll likely take the role of student rather than
>> teacher. I'm happy to talk about my current setup but it would be a
>> short talk (using SFLAN to provide a network connection at home).
>>
>>
>>> Second, what tips would you give Joe Q Public about opening up his
>>> wireless?
>> I've not done this, although I have emailed SFLAN requesting info on
>> how to use my Soekris 4521 to create a new SFLAN node. No response
>> yet.
>>
>>
>>> What questions should we answer?
>> - What's needed to setup an SFLAN node
>> - Are two different radios needed (b & g)?
>> - What's the difference between a node and a repeater?
>> - Must I have a good connection to certain SFLAN nodes
>> to create a new node?
>>
>> Eric.
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>> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:01:52 -0700
>> From: Eric Walstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [BAWUG] Good SFLAN node
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>> On Wednesday 27 October 2004 05:19 pm, Joshua Marker wrote:
>>> Can anyone recommend a good SFLAN node accessible from street level
>>> from which to examine the network? My local (47) never seems to show
>>> up; I fear it may be high above.
>> FWIW, I've been able to connect to 47 (I think) every time I've tried.
>> But, I do have a little altitude. Presumably you've seen the node
>> map:
>>
>> which may help. It looks like 6, 37, 44 and 11 are all up right now,
>> according to the status map.
>>
>> Eric.
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