Glad to have you back. Why did you leave in the first place?
However, I don't welcome the Part-15 bashing, what ever the reason. The list
has been very effective and professional the last six months without
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Davis. NoDial.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Part-15
Okay, Victoria, so why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel! :-)
"P15 only deals directly with it's suppliers." seems like a lame way out
of a NDA to me, but I ain't no lawyer.
I don't know where you have been for the past 18 months, but I saw you
announcing your return on the list earlier. Welcome back. Its been a while
since I read a rant this well written. Kudos.
There seems to be things like this and more that people have been too
polite to talk about "on the air" that I have only picked up bits and
pieces to. I would be interested in reading the whole Part15 meltdown
story, once all the parts of the story have finished unraveling. If there
is a URL with all of the gory details, please let me know.
I have attended 2 wispcons. In 2004(or 2003?), the 200+ attendees and the
50+ exibitors made it very educational and refreshing experience. I saw
new technologies and made contacts with many vendors and consultants. I
talked with WISP operators who advised me on decisions I needed to make to
grow my network, and it was good to see that I wasn't the only one
struggling with the things I was struggling with. In 2005, the 30 or so
attendees and the 6 or so vendors was kind of a disapointment to say the
least. A lot more focus seemed to be on the after-hours entertainment than
the business of the convention. With no-show vendors at a show like that,
and no-show speakers for the sessions, I guess there isn't much else to
focus on though, except the "limo rides" and BS like that.
I suspect that once its ALL over, and there is no risk of anyone suing for
slander or libel or whatever, and no bridges to burn, there will be some
interesting tales to tell.
Personally, I don't care about the non-profit, not for profit, or
for-profit status of P15 or Part15 or whatever he is calling his group,
except that IF he is claiming not-for-profit status, I think its VERY
fraudulent and inappropriate to run it as a for profit venture. If he
wants to CALL it a for profit and run it like that, then let it be, I say,
but if a man cannot let it be known what he is trying to accomplish, and
who he is going to accomplish it for, he isn't going to accomplish much.
Bullit is a like-able person, with a very positive attitude. Its a shame
to see what once was a very dynamic and popular group lose momentum in the
face of contraversy like it has. A little dishonesty (or at least the
appearance of dishonesty) can go a LONG way to turn a positive into a
negative. There are many things in life that are required for success, but
it doesn't take much to turn a success into a disaster.
The whole "P15 only deals directly with it's suppliers." line to screw you
out of potentially a boatload of commissions seems like something that
SOMEONE needs to talk to a lawyer about... but I don't know all of the
details of what was or is in anyone's NDAs, non-compete's or contracts. If
I was Nuvio, and your sales referral brought me that kind of revenue (that
P15 will eventually bring in) I would certainly want to find SOME way to
compensate you. But thats just me.
Sorry if this post seems like a Bullit Bash, or a total dump on the Part15
folks. I certainly don't mean anyone any harm. I am sure that I don't have
the whole story.
Disclaimer: The comments contained in this email DO NOT neccesarily
represent the current opinions of any person living or dead. Pete Davis
and NoDial.net are in the business of delivering internet service to
subscribers in the South Texas area, and DON'T want to get into a
confrontation or legal battle with ANYONE with a differing opinion of any
subject discussed here.
Victoria Proffer wrote:
You can ban me from your list,
I guess that would be ok, not much there any more,
There are many that have warned me against your list and you honor. As
well as they have advised me against authoring this email, but you know
me, I a bossy broad, damn ex-Marine.
I know not to burn the bridge, but when you kick a person when they are
down….I have no choice but to dump a barrel of coal oil on the bridge,
hopefully, catching my pitty party in the middle.
I have been so screwed over….I am carrying lighter fluid in my vest, as
well as several high gain parabolic and TWO five watt amps and a power
LOL, not really, but yours, Michael, is a bridge I do need to burn, or
I have about a half a dozen emails that you claim Part-15 is a 501.c3.
Where are the filinings?
I have checked with the state of Illinois and there have been , from my
understanding, no filings.
I was told about this years ago, but preferred to respect your honor than
accuse your dignity.
Clearly this is askew. Part-15.org is NOT A NON-PROFIT. It is clear that
you take advantage of the “.org” filing so that you can “bait” newbies to
a great party, or it use to be.
Some people tell me never to burn a bridge, or be a ball buster,,,,
HOLD ON…I AM GETTING MY PROPANE…once you flame, I will aim….
Crossing the bridge-à ßburning the bridge.
BTW, buillit, what did you do in New Orleans?
I know guys that worked, latterly their ass off, brought equipment, saved
their existing network, and basically in general did a damn good job. I
am really proud of Joe Laura, Jim Patient, MAC McDermot. I suspect that,
the skinny guy on the Uni was there.
BTW, my new email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
(website soon to come).
I now own the STL network.
Eighteen months and now back to work.
Nice to see you guys.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*/Bullit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
I remember you sending me the NDA, but going through your reseller
agreement is not what P15 was looking for. P15 only deals directly with
it's suppliers. When we were talking about this, I had mentioned to you
that I was in contact with Vonage, Packet8, etc. You then suggested I
look at Nuvio, which I did. I then contacted them and established a
contract with them (directly).
Regarding the statements below, I agree with Brandon, that if you are not
able to meet the Nuvio quota's it may be a good fit for you to resell
P15's (Nuvio) VoIP solutions. We already have a lot of resellers signed
up and P15 is the one with the quota's and not the individual WISPs.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Victoria Proffer <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*Sent:* Monday, November 14, 2005 8:20 AM
*Subject:* Fwd: FW: Part-15.org
Is this true?
*/Victoria Proffer/**/ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>/* wrote:
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:10:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Victoria Proffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
Subject: Fwd: FW: Part-15.org
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Is this true?
*From:* Brandon Fuhr
*Sent:* Monday, November 07, 2005 11:23 AM
*To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Subject:* RE: Part-15.org
Thank you for the update. Sorry to hear you haven’t begun marketing the
services yet, but I understand how other business initiatives can take
As for P15, I have talked with their Chairman Michael Anderson, and he
says that he never signed up as a subagent for you. P15 setup a direct
partnership with Nuvio, so any compensation that has been arranged has
been setup between Nuvio and P15. Michael says that when P15 was looking
into partner programs for VoIP services, that he was contacting Vonage,
Packet 8, and some others. He said that you used to be a P15 member and
had mentioned to him to check out Nuvio, and he did so, but that you had
not been involved at all in educating him on the services or getting them
setup as a partner, and he never signed up through you. Michael contacted
us directly, and we performed all the work to get them going. I even flew
out to their WISPCON event to help educate their attendees on VoIP.
If you would have been more involved with the process, and got P15 setup
as a subagent for your company, then you would be seeing some revenues.
However, you took a hands off approach, P15 entered into a direct
contract with Nuvio, and therefore you are not entitled to any benefits
of that relationship. P15 really wouldn’t have been a good fit selling as
a subagent of your organization anyway, so I believe everything
ultimately worked out for the best. In fact, it may turn out that it is a
better fit for you to become a subagent for P15 with how we have the
partnership worked out. Ultimately it could mean more revenue sharing for
you if you continue to not be able to meet the goals we have set for our
direct partners. This consists of 900 residential seats or 300 Hosted PBX
seats signed up by the end of Year 1 of the partnership.
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