Yes, but I have not ever blocked anyone. I am making hypothetical comments.
However your point is well taken.
level3 same plan.
The differnce is Level 3 lets me know the plan upfront. Second, LEVEL3 may
deserve the right to charge. Level3 is not a new startup like CommPartners.
Level3 is leading the country as a national tier1 transit provider. They
are the big fish, and they probably have the right to act like one, and
demand any terms that they want. .
There are 1200 VOIP Providers.
Do you know where to find that list of 1200 providers? I've found only about
enough to fill one hand full of fingers, regarding wholesale.
The billing is the key.
Thats exactly why I do not want to go through a third party. I either want
my partner to bill my client directly, or I want to villthem and only have
one bill to cross reference the one from the carrier that tracks it and
provides it. Doing VOIP through a middle man will be a nightmare from the
billing point of view. That need to be avoided at all cost. Try and get a
credit, when the overbilling start, going through a third party. I'vebeen
there done that. With one compnay the over billing got to be over $20,000 a
month. I had no recourse to cure it, as I had no agreement with the provider
tracking the costs, and the reseller wouldn't fix it for me or waive it
until the provider did. It becomes a nightmare. Must be avoided. A perfect
reason why companies like Commpartners should do direct deals not through
resellers. ONce they have a billing system in palce that can accommodate the
middle man and cure the man in the middle billing headaches, thats fine,
build a resller middle man channel. But until then, dont do it.
Blocking may not be the right approach. I'm undecided.
Maybe someone else can get around those issues.
They can't. Exactly why I suggest Commpartners should go direct and avoid
the problems of a middle man. And why I didn;t suggest a COOP, like some
people misunderstood. My goal is to simplify billing not make it more
complex.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VOIP - and rants
Tom,
This huge thread about CP is amazing.
If you don't want to use them, or don't like their business plan. Fine.
It is the same plan that Level(3) has, so I don't understand the big deal.
You seem really peeved about the initial fee. How is that any different
than an install fee?
There are 1200 VOIP Providers. Go get one and get rolling.
Not all of them get your plan. Heck, many of them, don't get my business
plan and view of the world, but that's life.
I work with the ones that do - clients and vendors.
About the volume buying:
We (II4A - www.ii4a.org) spoke with CP and others about volume buying DSL,
VOIP, DBS, etc.
The billing is th key. No one (I have spoken with) wants to bill
individual ISPs under a Volume umbrella.
Most want to bill II4A and then II4A bills its members.
Two problems:
Billing is overhead that increases the cost of the service (by about $2
per bill).
Collections and cash flow - you have 15 days to pay. How do you collect
from all the coop members?
What if a few can't or won't pay? It affects EVERYONE else's business.
Deposits, automatic debit, ACH, etc. are a pain - and, since I know you
despise initialation fees, would be a barrier to entry for the little guy.
Those are the realities of volume buying that I have dealt with for 4
years.
Maybe someone else can get around those issues.
BTW, a little CYA:
If I was in your market, competing against you and read your comments on
blocking/prioritize, etc., I would use it in my marketing against you. It
would only take a little push and it could knock you down. Trust me on
this. People like controversy more than anything.
Regards,
Peter
RAD-INFO, Inc.
813-963-5884
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