I'm just looking to offer customers an alternative to the phone line.

That is, I'd like to give them an excuse to drop the Qwest copper line, keep
phone service, and give me the money instead.

And for those who live outside any other broadband, I can make a package
deal that puts them right in there with what they'd get if the telco did
move in... in other words, NO REASON TO LEAVE IN THE FUTURE.




North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VOIP


> The margin in consumer VOIP is disappearing. The costs of the
> infrastructure including DIDs and 911 implementation have slammed the
> industry. Read Vonage's IPO to better understand the 911 liability and
> cost.
>
> In a couple of cases I have consulted on, the local CO was not
> accessible by any CLEC, so no LNP, so no one to outsource the VOIP to.
>
> BOCs have learned that most consumers switch to VOIP for cost savings,
> so have lowered their costs. Plus cableco's have gotten into the game
> (and can do 911) and bundle on one bill.
>
> You can try to do it yourself (and Asterisk is a GREAT tool for this),
> but if you aren't a CLEC, how do you handle 911 and LNP?
>
> Now if you wanted to sell Hosted PBX to Businesses, that's valuable.
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
> RAD-INFO, Inc.
>
> Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
>
> >I don't understand your point about "selling on margins".
> >
> >I was merely asking for a "wholesale" product that was priced less than
> >RETAIL.
> >
> >Nothing more, nothing less.
> >
> >I have yet to figure out how it is all the "wholesale" products are
> >currently anywhere between 10 and 100% more than the current retail
> >offerings.
> >
> >There's no "margin" in that, unless I'm supposed to subsidize VOIP
service
> >with my WISP revenue, which is the reverse notion of more revenue per
> >customer.
> >
> >I didn't say I wanted a "fat" margin.  I just said I wanted something I
> >could bundle with my data service that didn't cost me more than retail to
> >get, which is why I'm a bit taken back at the notion that wholesale costs
> >more than retail.
> >
> >If that' whining, in your view, I'd say your view was a little strange.
As
> >best I can tell, the biggest costs for VOIP are the infrastructure and
> >customer service.    I merely wanted to make the unusual split of dealing
> >with customer service myself, but farming out the infrastructure.
Nobody
> >seems to be interested in doing that, and I'm not sure why.     Lots of
> >ISP's are outsourcing customer service, and seemingly it has advantages,
one
> >would naturally assume this is true of the VOIP business, but, hey, maybe
> >not.   The infrastructure, as best I can tell, is the most cost effective
to
> >scale upwards, more so than customer service.
> >
> >
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