We agree fully on this John.
Please note that NO where did anyone say that those not in WISPA got a vote
or a say in what we send out.
However, good ideas are good ideas. I don't particularly care where they
come from. And getting these out to others has proven, again and again, to
be a great way to harvest good ideas even from non members.
We can, and should, still do what our paid members want us to do. And so
far, the papers as written by me and edited by you seem to work for our
members so I think they should be sent out as is. Today or tomorrow.
laters,
Marlon
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: [isp-wireless] USF fund reform
You answered my questions. I know now where the source of the position
paper concept came from. Thank you. I agree it is important and we need to
do this. I still do not believe anyone but WISPA members has any right to
read or say anything about how we develop a WISPA position paper. That is
a WISPA function and is not something others get a say in. If some things
are not for our members only then why should anyone ever pay for
membership?
Scriv
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
Let me take this point by point John.
more below....
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----- Original Message ----- From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: [isp-wireless] USF fund reform
The unfortunate dialog below is a perfect demonstration of why Matt was
correct in saying this document should have never been circulated
outside of WISPA until it was in its final form.
What led to the Senate Commerce Committee position paper idea?
My discussions with MY senator's staff. She's on the committee. He said
we needed one.
Who is asking for this paper?
See above. The best way to aproach the committee is to have a one page
possition paper in hand. I've got the contact people to send out paper
to and will do so as soon as I have a chance.
From there, I have no idea what will happen. Hopefully they'll like
what we
have had to say and will ask for wispa's testimony.
What are the criteria for how this is to be drafted?
One page :-). Other than that, I don't know that there really is any.
This is about us. It's what WE want to see THEM do. But only the
basics. 50,000 foot type stuff.
Are there actual size constraints (number of words, content allowed,
etc.)?
I was told one page. I just wasn't able to clearly line out our views
and justify them in less than the 1.5 to 2 pages I typed up.
When is it due?
Don't know. The bills are in process right now. I think sooner than
later is better. Like yesterday. Others are likely hammering on
congress full speed right now.
How can we draft a position paper on USF when none of us even understand
the inner-workings of this very complex aspect of the telecommunications
infrastructure?
Easy. You saw some of the same hearings I did. Congress IS going to
change the program. They are begging for ideas. We don't have to know
how it works to know how we wish it worked. And that's what this is all
about.
Marlon I say this with the utmost personal respect and admiration for
you but I mean this, what makes you think that being the FCC Committee
Chairman gives you the power to completely run the Congressional
Lobbying efforts of this organization?
Um, the fact that no one else has stepped up to do it? If you want
someone else to tackle these issues please feel free to put them in
place. I have other things to do anyhow. So far though, very little
help has been given on any of these topics. So I guess until I'm fired,
I'm it eh?
These are not the same thing. It is time for us to have another
teleconference and do what we all agreed we were going to do. We need to
learn and understand USF before we start telling people what we want
from this.
No we don't. We have to know what we think will make it a viable program
for US. If congress wants to do something else that's their right. Our
job is to make this good for the wisp industry not worry that much about
the mess that it is today.
I say we cannot have a position paper sent out with the WISPA name on it
until we know what we asking for.
I thought the papers were pretty clear about what we're asking for. It
would be better if those went out with the wispa name on them, but I
believe in it as written enough that I'll be happy to send them out with
only my name if that's what the group wants.
I am not happy with having WISPA documentation like this becoming fodder
for the Brett Glass' of the world on public list forums outside of
WISPA.
Brett Glass is an idiot and a liar. We've already established that. We
could have a PERFECT document and he'd pick it apart because he didn't
write it. If you worry about what he's got to say you'll never
accomplish anything worth while, thereby making his day.
As for the value of the public exposure on this. How can we, as wispa,
claim to speak for the industry if we don't give the industry a chance to
have any input? I think we're more than proving Brett's contention that
we're a "good ol' boys club" that won't listen to anyone else wrong here.
We want to get input from all parties, not just ourselves. That's part
of what makes wispa better than any other wisp group out there. We're
working hard to speak for everyone as much as possible.
These discussions don't worry me at all. Most people won't ever say
anything when they agree. When only a few out of hundreds have something
to say it means we're very much on the right track.
We need to discuss how anything with a WISPA name attached is handled by
this group going forward. Public dissemination of WISPA internal
documents is no longer good practice as far as I am concerned. What do
the rest of you think?
I completely agree. HOWEVER, *this* was not and is not an "internal
document". It's a paper we're going to send to congress. Part of the
permanent public reccord. This type of document absolutely belongs out
in public before we send it to it's final resting place.
The long and the sort of the whole thing is this. Help me do the job
I've stepped up to the plate to do or find someone else that will do it.
I'm fine with it either way. In fact, we're so busy here I'd LOVE for
someone else to tackle these issues. I (as you've seen) don't have time
to dig deeply into them. I don't think congress cares about that, they
want comments from the trenches, but if you guys do you've got to do more
to help.
That help?
marlon
Scriv
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett Glass"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [isp-wireless] USF fund reform
Some comments:
WISPA is a the WISP industry's only industry owned and
operated trade association. We're a 501c6 corporation with a 7
person, membership elected board.
A 501(c)(6) nonprofit corporation cannot be "owned" by anyone. WISPA's
board does act as if it "owns" the group, though, so this fact may be
lost on them. Also, several of the members of that board claimed that
they would step down after the organization was founded and then did
not.
Sigh. The MEMBERSHIP owns the corp. We can modify or change it
anytime that the membership votes to do so.
The goals for USF should be clarified. Are laptops for
kids part of the program goals?
Even to ask this question shows a fundamential misunderstanding of the
concept of universal service.
Agreed. That's why I was shocked to find out that USF had funded
68,000 laptops for school kids. That number came up in Senate
testimony about USF reform.
Was it the original intent that USF exclude small local entrepreneurs
and give preferential treatment to the incumbent?
But of course! Remember, it was designed to replace cross-subsidies
within the Bell System -- the original incumbents. Even most wireless
carriers do not get USF funding.
As USF changes, do the changes have a clear goal? Is this just a
mechanism to try to put more funds into the program otherwise leave
it as is? Or does Congress want to see substantial changes in the
program that do more to foster rather than stifle innovation?
Congress wants campaign contributions and votes. Anything else is
incidental.
WISPA believes that market forces should mostly be left to
their own.
Incorrect grammar (embarrassing).
Without government tweaking. USF should be canceled completely.
If a real need for outside funding in regions or small pockets turns
out to be needed, address those issues on a case by case basis. At
the very least the USF program needs major reform as its cost based
fee structure encourages abuse.
Poor writing style and no citations of sources. The same is true for
the rest of the document. I'd be embarrassed to be a member of a group
that submitted any such document.
Feel free to provide better wording at any time. The intent of
releasing that doccument before submission was to get constructive
input.
marlon
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