Regarding cable....

That makes since. We really like the Arc wireless cable because it meets the need for 70% of the CPE side installs (residential and small business) with ease of use and the right price. The industry really needed a product like that. But the ARC cable is what it is, and is no substitution for high grade cable when it is needed. The Superior Essex we use now, has been proven to be awesome. We use it the other 25% of the time, when we have long runs or have to extend across gravel flat roof (where there is risk it will be submerged in water or walked on.). Many don't realize that it is not just the metal shielding that gives isolation from interference (environmental or self induced crosstalk). The non-metalic outer jacket and inner jacket of the wires also have isolating characteristics that contribute. There is something to be said for total thickness of a cable.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION


Good points. Likely I will not touch it again unless it breaks. I'll try to get a make on the "good" cable, but I know the cheap stuff I ran yesterday is the arc wireless shielded, flooded, drainwire, I picked up 6 months ago when it was $69 a roll.

Brian

Tom DeReggi wrote:

So the question that arises, is why did that fix it?

I see two possibilities....

1) Poor quality cable or cable shields. (Loss running Ethernet data parallel to power)
2) Sharing a CAT5 jack on the 532 main board for Power and Data.

Travis previously talked about the horrid RF interferrence that the 532 board generated when using 48V, due to the 532 onboard power converter/supply. I'm wondering if the distortion/loss was at the board itself apposed to cable?

It would have been interesting to know, if you used one cable for both data and power, but terminated the data pairs to a different Ethernet port instead of the POE port used for power.

What also would have been interesting would have been to know wether a 18V power supply would have worked on a shared single cable.

Different ethernet chipsets do have different characteristics and ranges. So it is possible that just the different chip made the difference based on compatibilty or characteristics of chip. But the other reasons are just as probable.

What brand (not just shield type) cable were you using? I realize that you would not likely pursue additional tests as you found a fix already, but it would be interesting to know, just so we can keep collecting data should we experience similar problems in the future.

We had a similar situation that was due to chipset. We ran 10 mbps ethernet 550 feet to our subscriber. (different radio brand). We used a slightly higher power voltage to make up for cable loss. Our laptops worked great over the link. The customer's 3 identical routers could not stay connected for long. We were not sure if it was a speed autodetection issue, or the distance for the chip to work. We installed a 10mbps Cisco Switch in between their router and our cable dmarc in their premise, and it all worked.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 9:20 AM
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I started with.... RB 532 on tower. It comes down 265 feet to poe injector to router. Major packet loss.
2)  switched RB 532 out.  No change.
3) Created test setup on ground with "bad board" and it looked fine. (from laptop--6ft cable----poe----265 ft---RB)
4) Blamed it on the cable, and got a cable certifier from a friend.
5) Right before climb, I re did the test setup on the ground. This time I plugged the 265 feet into the actual router instead of my laptop. The problen was back. (I was bummed) 6) One final test. Get another 265 foot cable. I used 265ft for power and 265ft for data to eth 2 or 3. Problem solved. I can only speculate that the chipset on RB 532 poe port is diffrent from the chipset on eth 2/3. And for whatever reason it was not compatable with cable, hardware, ect.....setup. I may never know for sure why, but I have the workaround. Good enough for me.

FWIW I ended up pulling 2 new cables (all 3 certified fine). I used the original cable for data (it has "real" shield) I used my new 2 (cheapo foil shield) for power and slapped the other into eth3 for the heck of it.

Lessons learned for next time. Measure cable, crimp, and power up on ground using the EXACT same everything as what the final deployment will have. And then test.

Hope that sums it all up.

Ok to directly answer your question. Yes. I did this on the ground test unit.

Brian
Rohrbacher

Paul Hendry wrote:

Brian,

Just out of interest, did you try running both power and data over the new
cable and did you still see the same issue?

P.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: 15 September 2006 02:43
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION

First off.  I'm back to a 48v 420mA power supply.
To the solution.
I ran another cat5 up the tower and plugged it into the RB 532.
Now I have one cable for poe and one cable for data, and it all works fine.
And check this.  My headache went away as soon as the problem did.  :)
Problem solved.  NEXT!

Brian

Tom DeReggi wrote:


Amps don't mean a thing without disclosing Volts, Consider Watts instead. 1300mA at 3V is much different than 1300mA at 18V. The mPCI slot (SR5) is 3.3V. Power to the Motherboard is from 12-48V. W=V*A

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark McElvy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:19 AM
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I am surprised no one has mentioned this. I looked up power consumption on the SR5 and it shows 800 to 1300 mA each. You state your power supply is 700mA. I did not look up power consumption for the RB532 but I would
think you would need at least a 3A supply.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:51 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies

So, does anyone know if it looks like I would be fine on the power side
of things?
I have tweaked the ethernet port settings for no gain.

Next step is to get climbing 280ft to replace board, but I'd like to
confirm power first.

Brian

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:


I have a RB 532 on 300 foot of cat 5 with 2 sr5.
I'm using poe 48v .700a power supply.
I'm seeing weirdness.

Do I have enough "juice"

Brian


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