Thanks Mark, for reiterating what I said.
I wish I was Jim!
Boy would I have fun making a boat load of cash and doing everything
right from the beginning!
There has never been as good a time to be a wisp as now.
George
Mark Nash wrote:
I agree with George on this... I'm a year into a 3-year contract with
Sprint for multi-T1 service and I wish I wasn't. Now I've got to make
the most of it and go with a different provider for cheaper bandwidth
while still maintaining the Sprint feed (which is arguably not a bad
thing).
I also agree with the equipment advice. Start out where you are...on a
budget and hopefully not in debt on the project. Don't be afraid to
grow the quality of equipment with your business. Listen, get advice,
try, fail, adapt, learn, etc. Decide on your route and go that way. If
you want to be sure, it's going to cost you.
I'm currently using Trango backhauls, switching to Mikrotik backhauls to
see how it goes. So far, so good. Star-OS and Mikrotik are
feature-rich and are made for your business without breaking the bank.
Pay attention to those words ... "without breaking the bank."
If you're not going to have this be a hobby, you'd better keep your
costs down, because your quality of life is about to change. The
quicker you get over the hump financially, the quicker it can be
rewarding, but there is a ton of work ahead to get there.
Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-5555
541-998-5599 fax
----- Original Message ----- From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul - Where Do I Begin?
Jim, One bit of advice I can give you that most will not disagree
with, is try not to do long term contracts with the telephone companies.
5 years is a very long time, lots can happen in 5 years, it's like an
eternity.
Usually the telephone companies enforce their early termination fees
and it can be quite a burden to carry.
So be carefull on with the telephone companies and try to do shorter
term contracts.
Also try to get a provision that lowers your rate if the telephone
company lowers it's rate during the contract.
George
Jim Stout wrote:
Thanks to all who replied to my initial question. It might help to
understand what I'm doing now and want to do in the future.
My wife and I live in rural Cass County Missouri. We're too far out
for Cable or DSL and Satellite is out of the question due to the
havoc that huge amounts of latency wreaks upon VPN clients So in
order to get a high-speed connection out in the country, we dragged a
T1 line to the house, stood up a 30' tower and began selling
bandwidth to our neighbors. I learned all I know about this "stuff"
at last Fall's ISPCON in Santa Clara so I'm feeling a little bit
wind-burned right now. This is also where I met John Scrivner who
convinced me that joining WISPA was a great way to gain access to
this community and continue to have the support group that I need.
Well, a few months have flown by and once word leaks out that there
is an affordable high-speed Internet connection available, they truly
beat down your door wanting to know when they can be installed. I'm
having a great time, enjoy the people and am considering making this
more than just a "Hobby WISP."
We are about 30 or so miles from downtown Kansas City as the radio
waves fly, and are relatively high up. I spoke to my provider (AT&T)
about additional bandwidth and out here they can continue to bring me
T1 lines across copper, but I have to believe there's a more
cost-effective solution available. This is why I posed the original
question.
I feel that I could serve about 500 clients in this rural area and
would like the option of scaling up to 45Mbps to support them.
Obviously bandwidth distrubution comes into play along with detailed
planning and design, but at this point, I'm just looking for ideas to
help me formulate my plans.
As always, thanks to all who have responded and continue to assist met!
Waremest regards, Jim....
Jim Stout
LTO Communications, LLC
15701 Henry Andrews Dr
Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
(816) 305-1076 - Mobile
(816) 497-0033 - Pager
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rock"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'WISPA General List'"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 1:14 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul - Where Do I Begin?
We look at three primary things when addressing backhaul needs...
They are in order:
1. Path Analysis and Distance, Without LOS between the two desired
sites
usually you can kiss the link goodbye. If there is LOS then how far
we are
shooting helps determine antenna sizes.
2. Frequency Usage on site - Again helps determine the radio type.
3. Capacity - Helps determine radio type.
So.....
Figure out where you are shooting from and to.
If that is OK then find out what frequencies are in use at those sites.
Then know how much Bandwidth you will need or want.
To address your specific questions.
I would check with your current provider and ask them upgrade
questions.
They may be able to provide you with a fractional DS3 at really
attractive
rates. If they can't provide that then ask them if they recommend a
carrier
in your area. I would then need to look further at your network to
determine
best backhaul to the different legs of the network.
Transport of choose is 5.8Ghz radios and then probably licensed.
Distances are form 0-40+ miles. The farther you shoot the better the
planning and budgeting needs to be. Typical links seem to be between
5-20
miles...
Bandwidth - Licensed can be out of this world fast but you are probably
looking at unlicensed, 18-54Mbs over the air which translates to
about 10-35
actual throughputs max. We would base that need on planned growth
over a one
to two year period.
Cost = Cheap - very expensive. All based on need. How much do you
want to
spend???
John Rock
ACC, Inc., Wireless Connections Division
ACCessing the Future Today!!
ph. 419.668.4080 x2234
fax 419-668-4077
Mon-Fri 8am-5pm
http://www.accnorwalk.com
http://www.windcastbroadband.com
http://www.wirelessconnections.net
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:09 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul - Where Do I Begin?
Folks,
I'm looking out about 6 months and expect to run out of bandwidth
with my
current T1 line. That's the good news because it means that I have
more
demand than supply. My niche is that I serve the rural community and
getting bandwidth out here is a challenge. I would like to begin
planning
for an expanded service area but the first problem I need to solve
is the
acquisition of more bandwidth.
I think the most likely solution would be for a wireless backhaul
but I
have no idea where to begin. Since you all have helped so much in
the past,
I figured this forum would at least set me on the correct path.
Questions I
have include: Who are the cost-effective providers? What's the
transport
medium of choice? What kinds of distances are available? What is
the unit
of bandwidth - 45Mbps? And what costs are to be expected?
As usual, thanks in advance for any and all responses!
Regards, Jim in Kansas City..
Jim Stout
LTO Communications, LLC
15701 Henry Andrew Dr
Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
(816) 987-6329 - Home
(816) 305-1076 - Mobile
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