Ideas about how to fill out the form if you don't know how you would
comply yet? Does anyone know if this is a required field? Can you just
put "not sure yet"? Are there industry standards - can we put that we
would follow the WISPA standard if it is not yet written?
I appreciate the links from people - Cisco - works if you have Cisco
installed and NetTap, not sure if this works for me or not yet.
John Scrivner wrote:
I have not spent one penny on CALEA yet. I know I will but I bet it
will not be much and I bet this will all look like "sky is falling"
dialog when it is all said and done. I remember the day that K-Mart
said they were going to give away free dialup nationwide. I think that
was around 2000. Now that scared me. Funny thing was I grew more that
month than any other prior. CALEA does not scare me at all. The only
thing the "big boys" are getting from all of this is a good laugh at
folks who decide this is going to be a make or break for them. Fear is
not worthy of your time. Stop worrying and run your business. Let
WISPA take the heat of making CALEA something you can dodge with ease.
That is our job. If CALEA takes more than $250 bucks out of your
pocket and 2 hours away from your business then I will feel I have
not done a very good job. I could be wrong but you know what? I am not
going to worry about it. :-)
Rick Smith wrote:
Was it "being alarmist" to shout "the redcoats are coming!" ?
I understand no one knows the format of the data yet. But the truth
is that CALEA is an attempt to put the trigger there,
get us to go broke funding it, and let "them" pull it any time they
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Butch Evans
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 3:40 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Form 445
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, wispa wrote:
Uhmm, Butch... No, they're not "asking for a means". They're
insisting that we build the tap into our network, at our expense,
prior to a request ( whether we got any requests or not ), to
provide them data in a specific form.
And what form is that data going to take? You don't know. You are
being alarmist, in that you are getting bent out of shape over
something you don't even KNOW. THAT is what I said.
The FACT is that the government MUST have a means to gathering
information for criminal prosecutions. Even you can't deny that.
That means (when it comes to Internet traffic) MUST happen at the ISP
level. WHY? Because MANY ISPs HIDE THEIR CUSTOMERS. It happens
behind every ISP who decides that NAT is "necessary". Sorry, but
that is one thing that makes it necessary for them to gather data on
YOUR network. They HAVE to be able to gather data on a specific
THAT is precisely what I said, nothing more, and nothing less.
REALLY? Maybe when I read these words from YOUR email address, it
was a government conspiracy that sent them to point the finger at
you. Here are SOME of the things you said:
I said that not resisting regulation would kill us.
The process has begun. We marched in to be fleeced, smiling and
Been nice knowing you folks.
the federal govenrment has just taken wholesale control of the ISP
You can bet that any "industry" standard derived will derived with
the input from the telecoms to bankrupt as many small ISP's as possible.
I predict that in 2 years there will not be enough WISP's left to
fund WISPA at all, unless the dues go up on the order 20 to 50 times.
we need to work at launching the largest "industry and public"
backlash ever, to end this sort of stuff...
Perhaps I'm the only one reading "alarmist" into your words...
Up to this point, the LEA's had to pony up the means of tapping and
grabbing the data they wanted. Which, in my view, is fair and
equitable. Why should we all pay for and design a network around
some system few will ever use?
Read the documentation again...I'm not here to educate you, but the
fact is that your network is NOT going to have to be "designed
CALEA was NOT written for ISP's or VOIP. The FCC and DOJ have
broadened its meaning all on their own.
No, it wasn't written for that purpose. But, the world is not the
same as it was when the CALEA laws were penned. Times change and so
do the laws. My only suggestion is to do 2 things:
1. Like it or not, the law is the law, and you MUST follow it. If
you decide to break the law, I hope you are caught and punished.
2. Don't ASSUME (you know about that word, right?) that every law is
a government conspiracy to put you out of business.
OH...it wouldn't hurt if you'd take your meds...
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