Sorry (Mac, Scriv, Marlon and others)... I didn't mean to stir things up. I
really just wondered why there was talk about determining how many WISPs are
out there. I think WISPA has the right idea about helping WISPs through
lobbying and I now understand that the goal of gathering numbers of WISPs
would be to simply to further that lobbying effort.
Looking back to Marlon's orginal message, I should clarify that I don't see
where I got the notion that anyone wanted to contact people or to encourage
compliance. NOTHING MARLON SAID lead to that conclusion. I guess it was
just MY OWN FRUSTRATION speaking... I'm frustrated to see that so few WISPs
have complied with the filing requirements... I'd like to see more WISPs be
informed about their responsibilities, but I would certainly draw the line
at informing... compliance is still a business decision that must be made by
each individual ISP.
If an effort were to be made to inform WISPs of their obligations, I would
leave it to the industry groups (WISPA, Part-15, or others) to decide if,
how and when to proceed.
- Larry
<\END THREAD>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:33 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] wisp survey
Larry,
Where the heck did you come up with those questions? I don't think WISPA
is ever going to try to be a "police" organization, but we are already a
lobbying group. I hate you even brought up such ridiculous notions as
those
you listed.
Mac
Behalf Of Larry Yunker:
If WISPA can identify WISPs across the nation, then how can WISPA convince
WISPs to self-report? Is WISPA planning to use strong-arm tactics (report
or we'll report you) or is WISPA hoping to just inform WISPs of their
federal obligations and hope for the best? Is there some other method
that
would lead to greater compliance without making WISPA look a private
attorney-general?
Larry Yunker
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] wisp survey
The FCC has given some unlicensed spectrum, in part, to help make lower
cost access and more access to broadband available in the US. Future
access to more of this unlicensed spectrum will require some
accountability by the FCC that unlicensed spectrum is helping to serve
that purpose. By not filing we show less impact toward filling the
"digital divide" and we are indirectly helping to justify criticism by
others that unlicensed spectrum is not effectively serving the public
interest in regard to broadband availability. Filling out the forms
would
help us to ask for and receive more spectrum and policy relief when
needed in order to continue to advance the public interests of more
access and lower cost access to broadband in the US. As of now Form 477
results show WISPs as serving less than 1% of the public with broadband.
This is artificially low due to non-compliance by WISPs to fill out
their
forms.
How can the FCC justify helping WISP interests if we cannot even show
what we are doing to deliver broadband using the spectrum we have been
given? How would the FCC helping us, in turn, help the public interest
if
there is no accountability that we are helping to serve the public
interest? They (the FCC) are absolutely justified in their desire to see
more WISPs fill out these forms and we should be complying with this. It
is not a "big brother" issue at all. Form 477 is there to justify our
representation in policy initiatives that we need to survive.
One other issue is that it is a matter of the law. We are required to
comply.
Scriv
Larry Yunker wrote:
Marlon,
I understand that the vast majority of WISPs have chosen not to file
the
477 form (or in the alternative they just don't know that they are
supposed to file).
Just out of curiousity, what do you hope to accomplish by locating the
thousands of non-compliant WISPs? Are you hoping to use this as-of-yet
unidentified mass to evidence the difficulty of meeting the standard,
or
are you hoping to convince those non-compliant WISPs to join WISPA in
its efforts to develop a workable standard? or are you just hoping to
prove out the estimates that you have already provided to the FCC? Or
is there some other driving force?
Larry Yunker
----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlon K. Schafer"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Principal WISPA Member List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 10:43 AM
Subject: [WISPA] wisp survey
Hi All,
OK, we're not going to get most wisps to fill out the 477 any time
soon. At least it's historically looking that way.
2 years ago I brow beat the major vendors and manufacturers into
giving
me the number of wisps that they show on the books and/or radios sold
into the US market in the last 4 years.
That effort lead to the belief that there are a genuine uncontestable
3000 wisps in this country with a minimum of 1,000,000 subscribers.
Numbers that the FCC folks still use today as being more accurate than
the 477.
Does anyone know of a research group that we could hire to repeat my
efforts in the past. Something that might be more effective yet?
There has to be a better way to do this than the 477.
Any ideas on the costs to do this project? Should we even put any
effort into it?
Could this be done by a group of scholars at a college?
Looking back on the data that I'd gotten at the time and how I
calculated things, I think that the real number of wisps was likely
closer to 6000. Today my gut tells me that that number is up by 25ish
%
and that the customers serviced is likely at least double what it was
back in late 2004. I know MY customer base has more than doubled since
that time.
thoughts?
marlon
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