OK, I'm in a pissy mood today so don't anyone take this too personally.

WISPA HAS taken up the fight against the FCC when it makes sense to do so. I've been back to DC a couple of times per year since 2001 or so. Recently I've gotten teams from WISPA into the FCC to talk to folks about all manner of things.

We filed in support of the new antenna rules. It's MUCH cheaper and easier to be FCC compliant today.

WISPA filed in favor of new higher power rules for base stations at 2.4 gig. Did you know that you can LEGALLY run very high wattage at your base stations if you follow the new rules? Gotta use very specific gear but it's possible to have the power to do 30 to 40 mile ptmp links at 2.4 gig these days. It's NOT WISPA's fault that the manufacturers won't certify the gear to do it. Heck, WISPA even worked with the FCC to come up with a rules interpretation that would likely allow people to use OFF-THE-SHELF gear to do it! The trick is, you'd BETTER have a certified system cause you're gonna be wayyyyyy over 4 watts. I came up with a possible config that would give us 60 watts at EACH base station antenna! 8 watts is easy to do with the right antenna choices etc. If you want this hardware shipped gotta beat up on the manufacturers not WISPA.

The data from the 477 is easy, non useful to competitors etc. and would be MUCH more valuable if people actually filled the dang thing out. We've worked with industry to get accurate data to the FCC via the 477 and other methods. We're not fighting against the 477 cause there's no reason to fight it. It's a LAW and the FCC HAS to ask us for the data. If we're gonna fight for a change in a law we're better off to pick a different battle.

CALEA is a law that you must follow. It's not the big nasty thing you keep making it sound like. Nothing more than the electronic version of the wiretapping laws that have been on the books for as long as anyone I know can remember. What WISPA has been doing is helping you figure out what you have to do to be compliant. We've spent out time and money working to make this as easy as we can for you so that you DON'T have to shut the doors due to this. We're also working on mechanisms that will be FBI approved and will allow you to be compliant in even nicer ways for less money.

When I get a chance, we're gonna fight for self certification for WISPs. That'll make all of our networks automatically compliant except in the most extreme cases or where people refuse to run legal power levels.

I could probably write another page or two about what WISPA HAS done to make YOUR life as a WISP easier and more long term stable/predictable. I think the point has been made though.

My next point is that you really have NO business spouting this rubbish Mark. You made some great arguments but they are based on half truths or ignorance of the facts. They are also, for the most part, a Red Herring. You see, RIGHT NOW we have to be CALEA compliant. If we don't like that we can fight it, but that fight will have to come later. Doesn't matter if we like the law or not, either obey or run the risk of getting caught. WE decided to take the time to help you comply rather than risk getting the $10k per day fines.

And, if you don't like the way things are being done, pony up for the $25 per month and join WISPA. Run for the board and help guide the team. We know a LOT more about what's going on and what's not going on, as well as the reasons for it than you do. If you were on the board you'd almost certainly agree with almost everything we've done. Not everything we do can, or should, be public knowledge. Someone out there has to work with customers, try new gear, look in places we don't have time to look etc. It's good that people are out there doing those things and letting us know what they come up with. Then the board has to combine it all into a reasonable policy or action, based on ALL of the things we know about. Anyone out there can armchair quarterback till the cows come home, won't change a thing about the game though.

Oh yeah, if anyone out there is having trouble coming up with the coin to join WISPA, the minimum wage in most of the country is over $7 per hour. I heard McDonald's is hiring near you. 10 hours per week will do wonders for your financial situation! I know, when I was new in business I drove tractor from 5 till dark 3 or 4 days per week.

Some people will do what it takes. Others will just talk about what the rest of us should be doing better. Who out there is a doer vs. a talker?

OK, enough talking out of me. I have to go watch my son play baseball. Then, tomorrow, back to DOING our latest FCC filing. Yeah, the one NO one is helping on. Including our FCC committee. NO one offered to help with this filing when I asked for someone on the committee to run with it.

sigh.  Have a great night all,
Marlon
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Koskenmaki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition



----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition


Mark Koskenmaki wrote:

 >
 >Never say never, they say.    What will you do when the FCC or FBI
comes and
 >says " we want you to help us enforce... blah blah"?    You're going
to have
 >a hard time saying "no" when you have already made a policy of always
saying
>"yes". You will have to "blow" that non-existent 'goodwill'. It wont'
 >have bought us or anyone else a thing.   How many times must I say it?
It
 >would be far better to have a solidly honest position of ALWAYS
standing up
 >for our industry, in everywhere way, in opposition to EVERYTHING
negative.


First, let me say that there is no going to DC and standing up for this
Industry.
It is barely an Industry. And with 200 paid members out of 2000 possible
WISP's, it is not very representative. Plus you have Part-15 and its

Well, if your point is that WISPA hasn't much muscle, not even combined with part-15's numbers, I have no disagreement with that. This IS, however, "an
industry", with thousands of players, both big and small.   Are we
comparable to telco in assets and sales?  No, but then for some reason, we
can run rings around them in ceertain markets.

agenda. You have Vendors and their agenda. You have the so-called "Big
Boys" like NextWeb, Clearwire, ELN or whomever - and thiner agenda. And
if by some stroke of luck, energy and effort, you could get them all to
back your one principle, even then - and with money in the bank - it
would be a wasted effort to spend John's, Marlon's and Rick's own money
to go to DC to "Stand Up". Because someone would break ranks for a deal
or good will or whatever.

Hmmm... You know, I thought I made the case that we needed the numbers...
and that WISPA needed the numbers, too, for more "clout". I guess maybe
I have to say these things, and not just let people connect the logical
dots.


Ask Frank Muto. You have to have Leverage to Stand Up. And a significant
number behind you who are willing and demonstrate a willingness to
support. Um, we don't have that here.

DC is not the Town Hall. DC is layers upon layers of subterfuge. You
need a full-time well-connected lobbyist. IN a former life, we hired a
well-connected lobbyist to ask Karl Rove if Indie ISP's had a chance (in
2005). This was about the time of Brand-X and Forbearance. The lobbyist
gave us the check back with a solemn look. A lobbyist returned money.
What does THAT tell you?

that says that we're not going to influence Congress much, unless we manage
to find some politician allies.


I hired a PR firm to craft 14 template letters that just needed a
signature, a name and an address to be faxed to Congress. Do you know
how many times it was downloaded? 15. Yeah.

SO tell me again how WISPA with 200 paid members should Stand Up?
I'd love to hear the plan, because the one I used obviously did not work.

Hrm... So, maybe the point is that you need to stir up the membership to
fight for thier own interest.   Best way I can tell, is to slap down the
ones that speak up and say they disagree with something.  /sarcasm


 >
> I am not advocating "shunning the rules". I am advocating telling those
 > making up the rules as they go, TO BACK OFF BECAUSE THEY ARE
 > COUNTERPRODUCTIVE!    It is both our privilege and our duty to tell
them to
 > back off when they cross their proper boundaries.   And we should be
utterly
 > unafraid to do so.

Actually all your speeches have been about shunning the rules and you
have stated you will not comply.
That may not be your message, but that is what you have written.


It is not realy your business.  But for some reason you want to make this
about what I do.   Is that because generically, the ideas themselves are
hard to argue with?    I stated publicly once, clearly, what my intention
is. And looks like this... I'm still waiting for some kind of agreement and clear direction from the people working on it. If i can do it, I will. If
not, I won't.   If not, the FCC is going to know I am not, and cannot.
Then I want to know... Where does WISPA fall on this? Does WISPA support
the notion of taking out ISP's because they cannot technically or
financially, or physically follow some stupidly obscure and obtuse demand?

Or will they start arguing in defense of their industry?

Because as far as I can tell, I cannot.   What I have deployed lacks the
technical capability to "comply". Yeah, I could help law enforcement, but I can't follow thier stupidly precise and yet obscure specified methodology.

I know you've repeatedly complained that I don't put my money where my mouth
is, because I can't buy plane tickets and hotel nights and can't run for
office in WISPA.   But I WILL put EVERYTHING on the line.  I'll fight the
FCC by myself if I have to.  And, it sounds like a lot of people here will
applaud my departure. Of course, I suspect that means you're going to have
to applaud chopping the WISP numbers down BIG time, because I know there's
plenty who can't do it either, because they can't find a way to meet some
minor point or other.

I know by personal experience that there's PLENTY of people who have the
money...and would actually sign up in a hurry, if WISPA were bold and
defensive.  Heck, they'd have my money again, if they would.  But most see
no benefit, especially when nobody appears to be defending them, but instead
siding with the overreaching regulators.   PERCEPTION, as you know, is
everything.


No one is tar and feathering you. But look at this perspective: You want
people to spend their time and money to travel to DC to do something for
you. When they want to go to DC and become Advocates and open doors for
WISPA to work with the gov't. (Which is a worthwhile endeavor).

You could go to DC and say we want money to comply - or something like
that. But you might as well phone it in and save the money for all it
will do.

One more point: When we have sessions on DC and Lobbying at ISPCON, NO
ONE SHOWS UP!
When ISP-CEO discusses politics, it empties the room. (So, Frank, no
politics this May, okay?)

I'm not talking politics.   I have YET to bring up anything concerning
politics, other than the process of dealing with political bodies, like
Congress and the FCC.    Nothing I say is partisan.   It has little to do
wtih politics. It has to do with our view of what's good for us and what's
not.   My positions and statements are nothing but but common sense and
business sense, combined with an educated understanding of the nature of
government and regulation.

All I have to do is look at a wide array of industries and see exactly what
happened to them, and see that I need a presence to at least TRY to stop
that from happening to me.   What I do has national atttention.   I am
filling what the government wants as a national need.  If we can't get
traction from that alone, in defense of our ability to survive and thrive
and grow, then we're doomed.

But I'm not a pessimist. I don't give up easily. Heck, I never give up.




Just my 25 cents worth,

Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc.
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