Well, I think we're evolving past I say this because I want to and you say that because you want to into a discussion citing facts and posing real questions to the powers that be.

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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty Dougherty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:39 AM
Subject: [WISPA] LIST HIJACKED AGAIN


This list has been hijacked AGAIN by a few folks who send never ending
emails-day and night- please stop, your killing the usefulness of the whole
thing.

Marty

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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble

I wonder how many wisps who would usually discuss their infrastructure
and talk about their issues and performance of the equipment they are
using, etc, no longer say a word on this list because of the fear
mongers who have them running scared?

We used to have lots of wisps discussing this stuff in detail, not any
longer.


Matt Liotta wrote:
This has become a ridiculous thread. Dawn's customer experience is
irrelevant in this case. Plenty of operators who have lots of customers
(including me) understand and agree with the position presented. Don't
kill the messenger! The FCC makes the rules; not Dawn or me or any of
the other folks who have made accurate statements regarding
certification. Use of certified equipment is required by law. Many
people break laws for a variety of reasons, but that doesn't change the
law. For example, everyday I drive over the speed limit and occasionally
I am fined for doing so.

-Matt

Brad Belton wrote:
"How would the number of customers I had on my network have any
bearing on
this discussion?"


Well, it's a lot like having a medical intern weigh in on what a
resident is
more qualified to answer. Certainly the intern is not to be considered a dummy, but the intern's general lack of tenure, real world experience and overall knowledge can not be considered equal to an experienced resident.

Questioning your ISP experience and specifically your fixed wireless
experience is certainly relevant to this discussion.  Anyone that has
scaled
their operation beyond a few dozen or even a few hundred clients knows
the
difficulty and complexity is compounded.  It is quite a different
animal to
run an ISP with several thousand users behind it as compared to a few
hundred.

No offense is intended Dawn.  I enjoy reading your posts and agree
with your
FCC Certification Crusade, but until you have walked a mile (or more
in many
cases) in the shoes of those you are speaking of many will rightly
question
what you offer here as the gospel.

Best,


Brad




-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble

George,

As I said in my post wireless providers do not get to decide what has
to be certified this is up to the FCC and if there are any questions
they need to be clarified not argued against which seems to be the
norm among some on this list.

How would the number of customers I had on my network have any bearing
on this discussion?

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


George Rogato wrote:

Dawn,

Just how many wisp customers did you have in your short career as a
wisp?

Why is it that some people who don't actually participate in running
a wireless service want to come in and try to tell us how to run our
wisps?





Dawn DiPietro wrote:

All,

I have come to the conclusion that there are some on this list that
think FCC certification is up for debate. There may be a need for
clarification in some cases but like it or not the FCC has the final
say in what can and cannot be certified.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro





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