Inline.
Clint Ricker wrote:
To be honest, I don't agree with providers restricting traffic on a
per-protocol basis, with, perhaps, the exception of SMB ports (137-139
& 445) simply because there very few people legitimately uses SMB over
WAN outside of a VPN.
The problem with allowing any blocking, even with full disclosure, is
that there is very little choice in the market (2-3 service provider
options is typical for most people, and a lot don't even have that).
Likewise, the major service providers tend to mirror each other
heavily enough that they are more or less interchangeable. In other
words, it's not a matter of "well, if comcast doesn't allow bit
torrent, I'll just go to a provider that does". If they are allowed
to block, they will...the negative repurcussions of blocking are quite
small compared to the benefit of forcing customers to their own
services.
2-3 services providers sounds like a choice to me, I guess I'm not sure
what the number would be. I guess if you just have 2-3 DSL resellers in
an area that you would not have much choice but if between a DSL, cable
and WISP you can't find what you are looking for, you are probably being
unrealistic in your expectations.
The only way that you could make actual net neutrality (the banning of
any traffic shaping beyond a bit cap) work would be to move to Marlon's
method of billing where you charge on a byte transferred basis. I don't
know too many people that can survive in the residential model without
heavy oversubscription and net neutrality will kill that model because
if you oversubscribe 10 to 1 and you get more than 10% P2P traffic you
are on the losing end of it.
By and large, I don't agree with the approach that some of the list
members have espoused that would seem to suggest that such actions
are ok for the small mom & pop providers but not for the major service
providers. If you are going to provide Internet access, do your part
to further the culture of a content-neutral policy. If nothing else,
you'll at least be the provider that gives the alternative for
customers want a more net netrality-minded service provider.
I agree with you here. To ask for a different set of rules makes us no
different than the worst of the monopolies.
Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless
On 10/26/07, Jeromie Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My take is that this is the that fateful "first step on a very
slippery slope". Today they rate shape the traffic, next week they out
right block it. I agree that any provider needs to use what ever tools
they have to keep users "in line". The problem that Forbes is pointing
out (I think) is that they are not telling customers they are doing
this [rate shaping]. It also stems from the bad use of the word
"unlimited" who's root is the heyday of dial-up [in terms of hours,
not bandwidth or quantity of data). Regardless of weather I see it
correctly or not, Very Good Work and we all should get writing.
www.house.gov/writerep
On 10/26/07, Sam Tetherow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'll crack open the can of worms....
What are you suggesting here Forbes? If it's just truth in advertising
then I'm behind you 100%.
If however you are suggesting that an ISP should not be able to block
traffic of a particular type I will have to disagree. Currently I do
not shape traffic beyond bandwidth limits on my customers and blocking
netbios traffic at each AP. I would hate to lose the ability to block
ports 137-139 though from a security standpoint.
I know there are many other ISPs that aggressively shape their bandwidth
just to stay in business. Forcing them to open up the pipes will most
likely end up with poorer service for more customers.
If I were an uninvolved 3rd party it would be interesting to see the
market react to legislation that forced no traffic shaping beyond
bandwidth caps, but as an independent ISP I don't think I want to try to
live through it.
Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless
Forbes Mercy wrote:
After reading a story this morning on a industry related blog I wrote a letter
to my Republican Congressman. I sent the same to my two Democrat Senators but
just took out the reference to being a Republican. :) Anyway I'm putting it
here just so you can remember that only we can keep the pressure up on our
representatives on issues that affect us and this is as good of a subject as
any to keep beating the drum:
"A year ago I wrote you when the AT&T purchase was being approved stating we
had to stay vigilant against the carriers blocking each other in what we refer to as Net
Neutrality. You wrote back, and I thank you for that, stating there is no real proof of
providers blocking any traffic. This despite my proof at the time that Clearwire was
already blocking any Voice over IP service (Internet Phone) other then theirs.
I felt your stand was naïve because trusting the Telephone companies is like
trusting the prisoners to watch the prison. We're both good Republicans who
want to let companies grow as they may to achieve profitability but the
exclusionary tactics encouraging monopolistic behavior is alive as always in
this industry. Here is a link showing how the wholly unregulated cable
industry continues to set the standard of censorship and gradual demise of a
free and open Internet:
http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2007/10/comcast_is_bloc.html?cid=nl_IWK_daily
It is my hope you will pay heed to my warning that open enterprise does not
include making Internet access different by companies who make no public claims
in their terms and conditions to their customers. This constitutes fraud as
people buy Internet based on the belief that their subscription entitles them
to a free and open network as it was built.
I again greatly encourage you to consider Net Neutrality as a priority, or at
the minimum, special written notification to their customers of blocked
content, so the public can make an educated choice. These companies advertise
they are an equal choice when they are not.
Thank you,
Forbes Mercy"
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