No, no, Dell is to blame. If a component manufacturer makes something and
someone else puts it on their board\in their machine, they are the
responsible ones. ATI makes 64 bit Vista drivers, Dell does not have them
available. ATI won't install because it's a Dell machine. There are many
other drivers not available through Dell that are through someone else.
Dell also doesn't have their software ready for this platform. There are
plenty of device manufacturers that don't have the drivers, though.
I don't buy the not having time to test... Vista betas and release
candidates have been available to developers for a couple years. Vista
release candidates were available to just about anyone else several months
before release. They had time, they just chose to slack off since they
could blame it on someone else... kinda like cable companies forcing their
customers to digital systems and blaming it on the government's efforts to
stop analog broadcasts.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Langseth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
Thats because in about a year, SP1 will be released and clear up the
major problems. I consider the first version of any new MS OS to be a
release candidate at best. Frankly if they do not clean up the Usability
of Vista, it will be the OS the drives me completely to OS X or Linux.
I already use the alternatives to windows a majority of the time anyways,
its just certain programs that I still need windows (hint: Alvarion
BreezeConfig for instance). But apple and the major linux distros are
working to eliminating that need _without_ having to piece it together
myself.
These alternative OS's are also producing better products, I upgraded my
old ibook to 10.5 without having to do any upgrade on the hardware, and
10.5 seems to be faster than 10.4. While part of this is because of the
limited hardware Apple needs to support, they still were able to make
major upgrades, support 2 hardware architectures, and it is still built
better. The desktop linux distros are getting closer to products that
anyone can use, again there is no hardware upgrade needed.
You can see these alternatives are scaring MS, just look at graphics,
Vista supports OpenGL as a software compatibility in DirectX, and its
performance is poor. Why? Because they want to lock game developers to
their proprietary system, so that those games cannot be ported to other
OS's which I personally hope backfires on them. Microsoft needs to drop
the monopolistic, proprietary attitude. Right now they can't even produce
a standards compliant web browser because of their business tactics.
Even Microsoft isn't using Vista on everything. They are pushing to get
XO to upgrade the OLPC hardware to run XP, not vista, because they know
they will never get vista to run on lower performance machines. They also
know they will lose entire continents to Linux if the OLPC with linux
becomes popular.
Frankly a lot of people do not use vista because of compatibility and
usability issues, once those are cleared up, right around SP1's release,
I will give it a try again as a personal system. But it will be another
6 moths to a year until major corporations are ready to deploy it, They
need to do regression testing, compatibility testing, upgrades, etc.
System changes should never be attempted ad-hoc, unless you want to waste
a lot of money and time.
DELL is not to blame for the drivers, they don't produce the hardware,
they put it into systems. blame the companies that make the components
and chipsets, Intel, Broadcom, ATI, Nvidia, and etc. Also make sure that
when you lay that blame on them, you need to make sure that the APIs
available to them from MS were complete for vista. Microsoft's blame on
the hardware issues is somewhat apparent, how many features were
dropped, severely changed or rewritten during the much delayed release of
Vista, they released it not because it was ready, but because they
needed to do something....
Just as much has to be blamed on the software vendors that produce crap
that runs on the OS, the numerous hacks that MS has to build into the
new versions of each OS to support poorly written third party
applications is ridiculous.
Ryan
On Dec 9, 2007, at 12:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Agreed. This happens with every OS release... It's OH SO HORRIBLE...
but then in a year or so, everyone forgets their fabricated fears. I've
been using Vista for about 4 months and have 0 issues with Vista itself.
Sure, I've had problems with vendors who are slow to update
software\drivers, but that's not Microsoft's fault... that's the fault
of lazy vendors *cough* DELL *cough*.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
In a message dated 12/9/2007 11:25:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
dreaded MS Vista
Why is everyone so down on Vista? I have been using it for a long
time,
starting with the Beta Version-now using the Ultimate Version, without
problems
[laptops and PC's]. I think it is more a learning curve with so many
changes
from the earlier versions. Vista is here to stay and you should be
learning
it-not going backwards.
Walter W. Stumpf Jr.
Xanadu Group Inc.
179 Statesville Quarry Road
Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA
973-702-3899
fax 775-667-1995
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