Personal portable devices would also include laptops. HAS to include laptops.
I think that a compromise would be to start out with the band as an outdoor or at least fixed antenna only solution. Out door so that we could use it for public safety or mobile devices, but only ones that would normally be attached to a vehicle or some such thing. And fixed antennas so that we could use the band to deliver broadband to homes/businesses. It would, however, be done with an antenna that is mounted either to or in the building. These two steps would keep the number of devices using the band to a much smaller level. On an interesting note, the broadcasters are fighting the whitespaces issue very hard, but as they know they are likely to loose the fight I'm told that they do support the above position. This time we as WISPs actually line up more closely with big media than we do with NAF or MAP. sigh, politics, sigh grin I've not had personal contact with the NAB yet. I've worked with Carl at the 802.22 committee. Unfortunately the 802.22 committee is very heavy into things like geolocation for all devices, broadcaster beacons that can be used to shut down transmitters when they are in the area with their mics etc. Our stance has always been that sensing is the only real way to do this. Drawing circles on the map will leave out far too many environmental factors. I'm also totally against the geolocation idea because it'll require more electronics, has NO benefit (distance can be learned just fine by timing pulses) and we'll need TWO antennas for every dang'd installation! Foowy on that. It's a tough issue for all around, especially without Powell in the chairmanship. Martin is not proving to be a friend of the WISP in many ways. With all of the pressure he's under, maybe it'll help though. Scriv, Rick H. and I are probably the most up to speed on a lot of this due to our involvement with a Whitespaces list that included Cisco, MS, Intel, 802.22 etc. going back at least 2 years. Not much has been done on that list since the Report and Order that freed up the Whitespaces for unlicensed use though. I think our stand against personal portable devices has turned folks like MS, Intel and such against our stance. That's to be expected though, so I'm not worried about it. We have to fight for what WE know to be the best options for our markets, just like they do. Our biggest problem is that we're not back there talking the FCC and we've not done much with recent NPRMs. I'd hate for anyone at the FCC to mistake that for disinterest vs. time crunch issues. laters, marlon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeromie Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless industry slams NAB's whitespace'misinformation' > I assumed that too but would like to be sure I am making the correct > assumptions. I also wonder what he feels should be allowed. I know how > I feel about it and lacking information, assume everyone feels the > same =) > > On 1/18/08, Jason Hensley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I would think that by personal portable devices he means things like >> cordless phones, wireless headsets, etc etc. If I understand that >> right, I >> would have to concur wholeheartedly. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves >> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 5:12 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless industry slams NAB's white >> space'misinformation' >> >> Can you explain why you feel that way? >> >> On 1/17/08, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > I've sent a note to WIA and asked if they'd be interested in a >> > discussion focused on finding common ground between them and us. >> > >> > It's my belief that WISPA needs to fight tooth and nail to keep >> > personal portable devices out of the whitespaces band. At least at >> > first (really forever as far as I'm concerned). >> > >> > Anyone have a problem with that as a firm stance? >> > marlon >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:05 PM >> > Subject: [WISPA] Wireless industry slams NAB's white space >> 'misinformation' >> > >> > >> > >> > Wireless industry slams NAB's white space 'misinformation' >> > >> > The row over US 'white space' spectrum continues, with the newly >> > formed Wireless Innovation Alliance >> > <http://wirelessinnovationalliance.com/> >> > stepping up its campaign to convince the FCC and the industry that >> > wireless devices can be used in these areas without interfering with >> > digital TV signals. >> > >> > The WIA last week accused the broadcast industry, as represented by >> > the National Association of Broadasters (NAB), of misleading the >> > public just as the FCC prepares to test updated wireless devices from >> > the likes of Microsoft (the original prototypes failed >> > non-interference testing, though the WIA claims this had more to do >> > with poor testing methods than real problems for digital TV signals). >> > These products are designed to work in an unused channel within the >> > digital TV band, but to switch to another channel if the first is >> > needed >> for a television signal. >> > >> > The WIA was formed last month to lobby the FCC to complete testing and >> > move forward with technical guidelines. 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