comments inline.
On Apr 22, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

> Anyone doing a 20 MHz channel?

Not to my knowedge.
>
>
> Would that be enough capacity to allow for typical oversubscription  
> on say a
> 10 meg client?

Certainly.

>
>
> What does it cost to get the first AP up ($5k, $15k, $50k)?

Between 5-10k

>
>
> What does it cost to get additional APs up ($2k, $10k, $30k)?

Between 5-10k


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> Mike Hammett
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Booher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future
>
>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> Airspan / Aperto are both shipping 5x Ghz wimax products.
>>
>> Throughput is about 26mb peak for the Airspan product on 10mhz
>> channels, and 22mb on the Aperto product in 7mhz channels. Also,  
>> there
>> are ways to get around the exclusion zones, if you find out who the
>> licenseholders are.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2008, at 1:20 PM, CHUCK PROFITO wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick,
>>> Excellent point on channel sizes!
>>> So if WiMAX is released in unlicensed frequencies of 900, 2.4? ,
>>> 5.X, 3.6
>>> (we are in a big exclusion zone.)
>>> I imagine if you deployed in 2.4 it would smoke the home routers.
>>> Would our capacity double for the same channel sizes?
>>> Would it use the same channel sizes?
>>> Would it help with range and capacity?
>>> Will WiMax help tree penetration? Can Physics be bent?
>>> In legacy deployments, would or could it improve our back hauls?
>>>
>>>
>>> Chuck Profito
>>> 209-988-7388
>>> CV-ACCESS, INC
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Providing High Speed Broadband
>>> to Rural Central California
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO
>>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:01 AM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future
>>>
>>> Patrick,
>>> If not 70 miles and 30 mbps,
>>> what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say:
>>> 2 miles los?
>>> 2 miles wooded?
>>> 5 m los?
>>> 5 m nlos?
>>> 10 m los?
>>> 10 m nlos
>>> ??
>>> Is this a fair question?
>>>
>>> Chuck Profito
>>> 209-988-7388
>>> CV-ACCESS, INC
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Providing High Speed Broadband
>>> to Rural Central California
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Patrick Leary
>>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future
>>>
>>> The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours
>>> great
>>> headaches. The stupid "70 miles 30 mbps" was the most absurd bit of
>>> hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly.
>>> Meanwhile, Mo
>>> Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec)
>>> was
>>> trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public
>>> sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the
>>> expectations. I
>>> did it in numerous analyst and press interviews.
>>>
>>> WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's
>>> greatest
>>> near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint.
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future
>>>
>>> WiMax as hyped by the press is dead.  No?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future
>>>
>>>
>>>> I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only
>>>> partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree  
>>>> strongly
>>> on
>>>> the "WiMAX is dead" part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it).
>>>>
>>>> The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong
>>>> opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%.
>>>>
>>>> Patrick
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- 
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future
>>>>
>>>> WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead.  OK, not factually  
>>>> true
>>>> but
>>>> emotionally true.  The cell companies will use  WiMax frequencies  
>>>> and
>>>> technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited
>>>> to
>>>> compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless.  It will
>>> never
>>>> live
>>>> up to the hype.
>>>>
>>>> All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the
>>> go.
>>>> Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value
>>>> driven
>>>> customer that love us so much.  Cell is and will not be value  
>>>> leader
>>> for
>>>>
>>>> fixed wireless. technologies.
>>>>
>>>> 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more
>>>> cell
>>>> spectrum.  The bands are narrow.  Good for phone and limited  
>>>> amounts
>>> of
>>>> data.  Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of
>>>> the
>>>> antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones.  Less  
>>>> gain
>>>> than
>>>> the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes.   
>>>> Also
>>>> there
>>>> will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing  
>>>> TV
>>>> stations.  And some of them are not moving for some reason.  I  
>>>> don't
>>>> know if
>>>> they get a special dispensation or what.
>>>>
>>>> All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home.  That
>>> will
>>>> erode market share for WISPs in some areas.  This is a slow and
>>> capital
>>>> intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that.  Plus many  
>>>> folks
>>>> prefer
>>>> to deal with us vs a large public traded company.  Superior  
>>>> customer
>>>> service
>>>> and support will always retain the customer.
>>>>
>>>> The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot  
>>>> and
>>>> drop
>>>> the balls.  They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer  
>>>> base
>>>> from
>>>> DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as well
>>>> as
>>>> they
>>>> could.  They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash
>>>> situation
>>>> from satellite TV pressing from one side and the ILEC FTTH (and us)
>>> from
>>>> the
>>>> other.
>>>>
>>>> In the meantime, we add VOIP, computer repair, data backup, web
>>>> development,
>>>> OTA HDTV install and maint, etc as cross sell and up sell
>>> opportunities.
>>>>
>>>> All of us can offer triple play if we team up with DirecTV or OTA
>>> HDTV.
>>>> OTA
>>>> HDTV is a wonderful opportunity for the next 18 months for the  
>>>> value
>>>> conscious customer.  Stock UHF TV antennas and converter boxes and
>>> help
>>>> folks get their analog TVs converted over.  Less work than a WISP
>>>> install
>>>> and you will lock in the customer even more with superior customer
>>>> service.
>>>> You can rent them the gear for $5/month and make it a low cost
>>> package.
>>>>
>>>> In 5 years hopefully your investment will be a cash cow and you  
>>>> will
>>>> ride
>>>> this horse until it dies.  Perhaps other technologies will come  
>>>> along
>>>> for us
>>>> to deploy but I see our segment strong for the next 5 years.  In 10
>>>> years,
>>>> if we have not diversified, we will probably be hurting.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and satellite ISP will never do much.  Pesky physics.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> To: "WISPA List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 6:44 PM
>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Future
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5  
>>>>> years?
>>>>>
>>>>> AT&T is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of  
>>>>> town?)
>>>>> Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be available outside of  
>>>>> town?)
>>>>> Cable will be using DOCSIS 3
>>>>> 3G will gain more steam
>>>>> WiMAX will have larger and larger shares of the market
>>>>> 700 MHz will be in use possibly for data communications by the big
>>>> guys
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My banker asked me, so I figured I'd see what other's opinions  
>>>>> are.
>>>>>
>>>>> My thought is that the big guys mentioned above will continue to
>>> avoid
>>>> the
>>>>> niche that we currently serve and we'll be able to provide better
>>>> services
>>>>> with more spectrum (5.4 GHz, additional 2.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, possibly
>>>>> TV
>>>>> white spaces) and WiMAX.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>
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