All, On Mtik APs with this issue, do you have any VirtualAPs turned on?
ryan Scott Piehn wrote: > In my personal opinion, no. I have seen it with different models. I > do know that radio does effect it, R52H is the worst. Don't have any > XR2's to test with > > Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Pierce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 9:02 AM > Subject: RE: [Tranzeo] Updated - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... > > >> Does the routerboard model really matter ? >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >> From: "Mark McElvy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:40:41 -0500 >> >>> I am not seeing issues on RB532/XR2/2.9.50 or RB433/XR2/3.10. >>> >>> Mark McElvy >>> AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of Chris Gotstein >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 1:30 PM >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Subject: Re: [Tranzeo] Updated - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >>> >>> Has anyone determined if this is specific to a radio card or >>> routerboard >>> >>> model? I'm not seeing this problem running a RB532 and SR2 card. >>> >>> Chris Gotstein >>> Sr Network Engineer >>> UP Logon/Computer Connection UP >>> 500 N Stephenson Ave >>> Iron Mountain, MI 49801 >>> Phone: 906-774-4847 >>> Fax: 906-774-0335 >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> Damian Wallace wrote: >>>> Well, MT says there is nothing wrong with their code, go away. The >>> card >>>> must have just reset itself for some unknown reason, and the CPE >>> should >>>> just ignore a Zero Time Stamp. Why a card would reset and you would >>> not >>>> start a re-association process is beyond me. If a card is reset, you >>>> reloaded the driver, and you must have done so for a reason. >>>> >>>> We apply the logic that if the timer went to zero, the AP reset. Why >>>> does this matter? The timestamp is used for syncing beacons, power >>>> control and for signaling a change at the AP. The Spec reads that if >>>> STA receives a beacon with a later timestamp, then it has to ..." >>> adopt >>>> all parameters contained in the Beacon frame, except the Capability >>>> bits, Supported Rates information element, and Extended Supported >>> Rates >>>> information element." >>>> >>>> It's not expressly written into the spec to treat Zero as a reset it >>> is >>>> true, but otherwise if the card is reset, then the CPE will not apply >>>> any changes until the timestamp is greater than its own timestamp. >>> It's >>>> a 64-bit number, so you could be waiting for a long time. >>>> >>>> Sorry guys. You'll have to bug them on this one. Lots of people use >>>> this same logic since it comes from the Atheros Driver, so it won't be >>>> just Tranzeo's that drop and (hopefully) come back. >>>> >>>> We're going to look into adding a flag to ignore Zero Timestamps, but >>>> that looks like using a hammer to drive a screw to attach a stick of >>>> dynamite to a stump because your battery is dead. It's a bad idea to >>> fix >>>> a bad idea. It could lead to clients not following the AP if it is >>>> reset. >>>> >>>> Damian >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>> Behalf Of Scott Piehn >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 4:18 PM >>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Subject: Re: [Tranzeo] Updated - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >>>> >>>> Thanks for the update >>>> >>>> >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damian Wallace" >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 5:04 PM >>>> Subject: RE: [Tranzeo] Updated - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >>>> >>>> >>>>> One addendum. In most cases it does reconnect, the lock out loop is >>>>> much rarer. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>>> Behalf Of Damian Wallace >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 2:43 PM >>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> Subject: [Tranzeo] Updated - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >>>>> >>>>> We have seen the problem. It has been reported to MT, and hopefully >>>>> they can fix it shortly, but we haven't heard from them. To be fair, >>>>> it's the middle of the night in Latvia right now. >>>>> >>>>> The system is randomly sending a zero Timestamp in the beacon. This >>>>> tells the CPE's that the BaseStation has reset. The CPE then tries >>> to >>>>> re-associate. >>>>> >>>>> However, the AP didn't in fact reset. So the CPE isn't allowed to >>>> join >>>>> the AP since it already is associated. >>>>> >>>>> We are looking for a hack to ignore this behavior, but all of the >>>>> approaches we can see will lead to other issues, some which are even >>>>> uglier! >>>>> >>>>> I can't send out any hopeful messages on being able to workaround >>> this >>>>> one unless MT fixes this behavior. >>>>> >>>>> Ryan has kindly posted this same info to the MT forum for me. >>>>> >>>>> http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=24971&p=127799#p127799 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Monitor this thread on the MT forum to see if there is an update. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>>> Behalf Of Damian Wallace >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:38 AM >>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> Subject: RE: [Tranzeo] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >>>>> >>>>> We now have seen it happen, but haven't captured anything in the air >>>>> yet. >>>>> >>>>> As the QA engineer on it describes it, waiting for a random >>> disconnect >>>>> is like watching water boil, only you don't have the stove turned >>> on. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>>> Behalf Of Scott Piehn >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:22 AM >>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> Subject: Re: [Tranzeo] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >>>>> >>>>> Has there been any movement on issue. It was mentioned that Tranzeo >>>>> was >>>>> looking for a tower with the problem to install some monitoring >>>>> equipment. >>>>> >>>>> I have multiple MT towers with tranzeo issues. >>>>> Simultaneous Disconnect of all tranzeo clients >>>>> Tranzeo client "locks" for 60 seconds. client not able to access >>>>> Internet, >>>>> we are not able to get into tranzeo from outside. >>>>> All Tranzeo on effected towers current firmware. >>>>> MT running 3.13 or 2.51 - take your pick of tower >>>>> Tower Radios R52H or CM9 >>>>> MT RB 500, 333, 433AH >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We are willing to mount whatever is needed. Just ship it to us. We >>>> are >>>>> in >>>>> Northwest Illinois >>>>> >>>>> Scott >>>>> 815-291-5381 >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damian Wallace" >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 4:42 PM >>>>> Subject: RE: [Tranzeo] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Got some. Can't seem to make it happen. Therefore want to get some >>>>>> that do. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> On >>>>>> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 11:34 PM >>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> Subject: RE: [Tranzeo] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >>>>>> >>>>>> Damian, then geeesh, buy the boards, we do. They are not that >>>>> expensive >>>>>> for a stock trading company. Obviously Tranzeo wants us to buy >>>> Tranzeo >>>>>> AP's and I'm all for that, but they are not cutting the butter, not >>>>> even >>>>>> the horsepower ones. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>>>>> From: "Damian Wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:31:31 -0700 >>>>>> >>>>>>> The issue with tools like those is that they don't capture every >>>>> thing, >>>>>>> just the stuff that the card in them thinks is valid. We have >>>>>> observer >>>>>>> for example, but it has the same limitation. We have Kismet and >>>>>>> Wireshark from some users, but what we need is the raw RF, which is >>>>>> hard >>>>>>> to get in a Chipset. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 8:25 PM >>>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tranzeo] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kismet can capture raw wireless frames. Wireshark (aka Ethereal) >>> can >>>>>>> do a fair job of processing the capture (there are also plenty of >>>>>>> commercial tools). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 12:49 AM, Damian Wallace >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> What we need is to capture the packets in the air. The best tool >>>>> for >>>>>>>> that is the size of a server rack, so it's not exactly portable. >>> I >>>>>>> was >>>>>>>> hoping to pinch an actual system that is doing it and out it in >>> our >>>>>>>> chamber. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Usually, if there is such a thing in wireless, it's a beacon. >>>>>> They're >>>>>>>> sending something that could be wrong, or that our software thinks >>>>> is >>>>>>>> wrong. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Damian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> On >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 11:43 AM >>>>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [Tranzeo] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hmm, well my BIGGEST problem AP just happens to be one that is the >>>>>>> ONLY >>>>>>>> RB600 in my network, don't know if that has anything to do with it >>>>> or >>>>>>>> not. >>>>>>>> There are times when it drops all the clients every 5 minutes then >>>>>>>> sometimes >>>>>>>> it doesn't drop any for 7 hours. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I just put a WAR-METRO at this tower running the 3 sectors as the >>>>>>>> problem >>>>>>>> was getting so bad I was about ready to loose some clients. I may >>>> do >>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>> testing with a RB433 and see if this problem is specific to the >>>>>> RB600. >>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> easily swap out boards as everything is COAX and radio's are at >>> the >>>>>>>> bottom >>>>>>>> of the tower. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>> WAVELINC >>>>>>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>>>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>>>>>> 419-562-6405 >>>>>>>> www.wavelinc.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> On >>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>> Of Damian Wallace >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 1:05 PM >>>>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [Tranzeo] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Actually, we don't hate Microtik. Some other companies yes, but >>>>> they >>>>>>>> are ok. Be better if they offered real support and were legal, >>> but >>>>>>> hey, >>>>>>>> that's a different issue. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This issue pops up from time to time on some Linux AP's. It used >>>> to >>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> Star-OS that did this, but they got it fixed a few versions ago >>>>> after >>>>>>>> much user demand. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you lose more than one clients at a time, blame the AP. If you >>>>>>> lose >>>>>>>> a CPE here and there, then it could be either. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With MT or Star-OS the best advise is to not mix chipsets. Don't >>>>>> know >>>>>>>> why, if it's a HOSTAP vs. MadWifi in the same device issue or >>> what, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> mixing chipsets has created issues for users. Our Prism based >>>> stuff >>>>>>>> talks fine to our Atheros stuff and vice versa, as does a number >>> of >>>>>>>> companies, but they all support one or the other chipset only in >>>>>> there >>>>>>>> device. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If someone can give us a combination of RouterBoard, MT version, >>>>> Card >>>>>>>> and client that can create the issue we can put it in the lab and >>>>> see >>>>>>> if >>>>>>>> there is comething in the air we see and workaround, like we had >>> to >>>>>> do >>>>>>>> for the Smartbridges. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> On >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:10 PM >>>>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [Tranzeo] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lets face it, these two companies hate each other they are not >>>> going >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> fix this problem. I just got back from a tower trying to swap out >>>>>>>> atheros radio's for PRISM radio's on the AP side just to get me by >>>>>>> here >>>>>>>> and let me tell you that was a BIG mistake. If and that's a HUGE >>> IF >>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> even get the prism radio's to work in a Mikrotik V3 board the >>>>>>> throughput >>>>>>>> is CRAP. I didn't see anything over 1200k and that was with my >>>>> laptop >>>>>>>> right by the AP. >>>>>>>> Swapped back for Atheros and throughput went back up to 4500k. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Only thing that accomplished was a couple hundread pissed off >>>>>>> customers >>>>>>>> for about 2 hours. I am at wits end on this issue and I am out of >>>>>>>> options. I will be bald before this ever gets resolved. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>> WAVELINC >>>>>>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>>>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>>>>>> 419-562-6405 >>>>>>>> www.wavelinc.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> On >>>>>>>> Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:25 PM >>>>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List >>>>>>>> Subject: [Tranzeo] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does anyone have a Tranzeo or a Mikrotik ticket number I can >>>>>> reference >>>>>>>> when I open a ticket? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Travis? 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