On Feb 5, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Brian Webster wrote:

> I could generate the actual deployed cable footprint around the US  
> and can
> come pretty close to the DSL footprint as well. The data is not  
> readily
> available and it is labor intensive to create. To purchase the  
> information
> on the Telco side is probably about $1,500 to $3,000 per state and  
> as far as
> I am aware the only cable data available is the franchise area  
> boundaries
> not the deployed footprint.

The cable maps I've gotten from the towns I've asked for it in have  
always been the street level data, not the outer boundaries.

Chuck

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]on
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:01 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coverage area of the competition
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> I was thinking NANPA or someone like that would have the telco  
> maps.  I'm
> not necessarily talking about what's in DSL reach, but what's the
> information for their CO.  I have attached the kind of map that can be
> generated from this kind of data.  I'm sure Brian could work his GIS  
> magic
> if we were able to locate the raw data.
>
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> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
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> From: "jp" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:41 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coverage area of the competition
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>> The Cable companies do CAD/GIS drawings prior to rebuilds and
>> construction so the subcontractors know what goes where and to obtain
>> pole access and make ready work. I'm sure these drawings are not
>> publicly accessible, and they'd probably not want to share them.
>>
>> Some phone companies have similar maps for their facilities, but I
>> wouldn't expect all of them too, especially with older out of date
>> facilities. They generally like facilities information kept  
>> confidential
>> as proprietary information when working with state government here.
>>
>> With cable, it's extra tough to estimate coverage without detailed
>> street level coverage maps. A big market of ours is (besides  
>> satellite
>> TV choosers), places where cable doesn't go. If someone lives on a  
>> long
>> road, driveway or sparesely populated street, cable is not cost
>> effective to deliver there, and the construction charges can easily  
>> cost
>> a property owner 5 digit figures. Of course, wireless has coverage  
>> gaps
>> as well, but technical software like radio mobile can estimate that  
>> to
>> some extent.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 10:02:41AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> How can we get what the coverage area is of the telcos, cablecos,  
>>> and
>>> cell phones?  I'm not necessarily referring to homes passed, but  
>>> on a
>>> CO, headend, or tower level.  I know I've seen references to GIS  
>>> data
>>> for COs.  Cell phone towers should be publically accessible  
>>> somewhere
>>> in ULS.
>>>
>>> With the latest update from Brian, WISPs cover 743,456 square miles.
>>> The entire US is 3,794,066.  That's 20%.  If you exclude Alaska and
>>> Hawaii which are not covered in Brian's map and make up 674,198  
>>> square
>>> miles, that's 3,119,868.  That puts us at 24% of the continental US.
>>>
>>> I think it would go a long way to say that WISPs provide more
>>> broadband coverage than x company provides services period,  
>>> including
>>> areas they cannot provide broadband.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
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