Matt, How does what you say in the first paragraph make Aperto not viable?
Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >Behalf Of Matt Liotta >Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:04 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors > >WiMAX relationships tend to be self-limiting. The good vendors are >expensive and as such their customers tend to be more capable. In >capable; I mean the operator has done thorough evaluations including >field trials of equipment from various vendors. Developed a business >plan specifically for the equipment they have selected and the market >for which they plan to deploy it. Shared this business plan with the >same vendor and have gotten a positive response from all before they >deploy the first customer. > >The above is different from how most WISPs approach WiMAX. >Specifically, WISPs tend to already have existing customers, networks, >etc and a working business model. These WISPs tend to be looking for >new technology that solves specific problems for their existing >customers or allows them to better execute their existing business >plan. Generally, these WISPs find that WiMAX technology fails in that >regard. > >If you are up for what I mentioned in the first paragraph then I would >suggest taking a look at Redline and Alvarion. Both vendors will >likely recommend deploying their gear in a fixed architecture using >3650Mhz. You will want to understand how Redline's use of 802.16d with >uplink subchannelization compares to Alvarion's use of 802.16e with >diversity and how that affects your ability to deliver a specific >amount of throughput to your target market. > >If you are more in the situation that I mentioned in the second >paragraph then I would suggest taking a look at Aperto and Tranzeo. > >My personal recommendation would be for Redline. That is the vendor we >selected and have deployed. I would also recommend that you only >consider WiMAX for deployments where differentiated services are a >core part of your business plan. Without differentiated services I >fear WiMAX may never make sense. > >-Matt > >On Apr 22, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Charles Wyble wrote: > >> Yes. I know. Which is why I asked very specific questions. I don't >> really care about the technology involved and am not looking for >> information on it. >> >> I'm asking for vendor recommendations and WISP experiences from people >> that have actually deployed Wimax in the 3650Mhz space. The area I'm >> looking to serve wouldn't be cost effective to serve via Wifi. >> >> >> Matt Liotta wrote: >>> Those of us operators who actually have experience in the field with >>> the gear tend to avoid posting to threads about WiMAX because the >>> threads quickly devolve. I suggest you read the archives of this >>> mailing list. To summarize though; operators who use WiMAX like it >>> and >>> think the technology is actually different and better than what else >>> is out there. The people who don't use WiMAX think it is overpriced >>> and not particularly interesting. >>> >>> -Matt >>> >>> On Apr 22, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Charles Wyble wrote: >>> >>>> I'm looking for more operational experience and end user experience. >>>> Certainly good technology contributes to that, but that isn't my >>>> primary >>>> goal. >>>> >>>> >>>> Michael Baird wrote: >>>>> It was interesting, but I was hoping for some more first hand >>>>> experience >>>>> reporting. Essentially the only explanation for improved range >>>>> was a >>>>> lower noise floor, which isn't a wimax thing, but a 3.65 thing. I >>>>> think >>>>> a lot of the 802.16d/e talk is market speak, I'm trying to get >>>>> through >>>>> that and establish technical reasons why one or the other is >>>>> superior. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Michael Baird >>>>>> So the recent thread on Wimax was quite interesting. I need to >>>>>> read up >>>>>> on the different technologies involved. I believe that a fixed >>>>>> deployment is sufficient for many many many needs and markets >>>>>> (wireless >>>>>> local loop if you will). If people want mobility/end user wireless >>>>>> they >>>>>> can hang an 802.11 AP off the ethernet port of whatever CPE. Wimax >>>>>> directly to the end device doesn't make much sense to me, in most >>>>>> markets and use cases. Obviously if you are supporting a highly >>>>>> mobile >>>>>> workforce (say public sector type stuff) then it makes a lot more >>>>>> sense. >>>>>> >>>>>> It got me thinking... if one was a new WISP entering an >>>>>> un(der)served >>>>>> market, it seems that it would not make sense to deploy standard >>>>>> 802.11 >>>>>> gear, but rather Wimax gear in 3650Mhz. Is this an accurate >>>>>> assessment? >>>>>> >>>>>> One particular area that I'm targeting, doesn't have any broadband >>>>>> available (other then 3g from Verzion). So they would need to >>>>>> purchase >>>>>> CPE anyway, and it wouldn't be anything they could get from Best >>>>>> Buy >>>>>> (DSL or Cable modem). >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm in the process of negotiating access to the excluded areas (in >>>>>> Southern California), but it's been slow going. Once I gain access >>>>>> it >>>>>> will open up many areas to some sorely needed competition. >>>>>> >>>>>> So who are the vendors in this space worth considering? >>>>>> What are peoples experiences with the sales process (both pre and >>>>>> post >>>>>> sales engineering) >>>>>> etc etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >-------------- >>>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >-------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>>> >>>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------- >>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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