If that's true then it's illegal for me to buy a RB411, a XR5, an enclosure and put it together myself? If that's true why do they sell all that stuff without disclaimers? Am I supposed to put this stuff together and then go through a certification process?
Greg On May 12, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs wrote: > Scott, Thats not the case, you have to have the Mikrotik FCC > Sticker etc.. > > To your questions. > > 1. Nope > 2. Nope. > > > * ----------------------------------------------------------- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > WISPA Vendor Member* > *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net > <http://www.linktechs.net/> > */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* > <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> > > The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by > the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is > intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which > it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, > or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by > persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is > prohibited, If you > received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from any computer. > > > > > > Scott Carullo wrote: >> Randy, >> >> Dumb question.... If you are a wisp what would be the motivation to >> certify a "kit"? >> >> Its been clearly stated that you can take the RB, a radio card and >> stick it >> in an enclosure and use it to your hearts content legally per FCC / >> UL >> rules. Why would anyone do anything other than just use the parts >> - except >> if you are reselling the gear... I think that's where you run into >> the >> issue of having to have the whole system certified vs just buying >> and using >> the parts. >> >> Is that correct? lol sorry to be such a pita but I'd like some >> definitive >> answers just once so I can put this to bed... >> >> Questions I ask myself... >> >> 1) Ok, Its legal and perfectly accepted for me to buy a RB411, a >> XR5, a >> PoE-24i, an ARC 5Ghz Gen 2 Enclosure put it all together and use it >> for my >> on network or customers all day long every day (assuming I'm legal >> power, >> correct bands etc)... >> True or False >> >> 2) Assuming #1 above is True - I cannot sell this equipment as a >> Brevard >> Wireless Model 500 ptp radio bridge on the retail market without >> getting >> the whole system certified as a "kit" including all parts, >> documentation, >> power supplies etc... >> True or False >> >> 3) If #1 and #2 above are both true, I'm clear thanks conversation >> over. >> If either one is false we have a lot more to talk about... >> >> Scott Carullo >> Brevard Wireless >> 321-205-1100 x102 >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> >>> From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" <dmburg...@linktechs.net> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:08 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>> >>> I belive you must purchase hardware directly from MT to be a >>> >> distributor. >> >>> * ----------------------------------------------------------- >>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> WISPA Vendor Member* >>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net >>> <http://www.linktechs.net/> >>> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* >>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> >>> >>> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by >>> the >>> >> Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is >> intended >> only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which >> >>> it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >>> material. >>> >> Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >> taking of any >> action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities >> other than >> the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you >> >>> received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the >>> material >>> >> from any computer. >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Randy Cosby wrote: >>> >>>> Can we clarify what a "distributor" is, and what a "reseller" is >>>> as far >>>> >> >> >>>> as Mikrotik is concerned for this program? Can a wisp (are they >>>> resellers?) get permission from Mikrotik to certify a kit? Where >>>> can >>>> >> we >> >>>> find out more on this? Are there distributors who will do on >>>> behalf of >>>> >> >> >>>> a wisp? >>>> >>>> Randy >>>> >>>> >>>> Mike Delp wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> I think that what Dennis was trying to say is. You have to be a >>>>> >> Mikrotik >> >>>>> Distributor, and follow their documentation to be able to use >>>>> their >>>>> >> lab >> >>>>> testing certification. Distributors are effectively MT agents >>>>> using >>>>> >> their >> >>>>> already completed certification testing. Anyone can take some >>>>> parts >>>>> >> and >> >>>>> have them lab tested and certified as a system. Mikrotik has >>>>> already >>>>> >> gone >> >>>>> through the expense of testing in a lab, and they have a program >>>>> to >>>>> >> make >> >>>>> these certifications available from the distributors. So, there >>>>> is a >>>>> difference in having parts listed as certified, and having a >>>>> complete >>>>> >> system >> >>>>> with a sticker on it. The sticker makes it complete. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> Mike >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Scott Carullo >>>>> >> <sc...@brevardwireless.com>wrote: >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I'm pretty sure the FCC and the testing labs don't care who you >>>>>> are >>>>>> >> or >> >>>>>> where you buy your stuff... thats not what they are looking for. >>>>>> >> Example >> >>>>>> - I choose to take 4 parts (some mikrotik) and get them >>>>>> certified - >>>>>> >> I >> >>>>>> can.... Do you see this differently? >>>>>> >>>>>> Scott Carullo >>>>>> Brevard Wireless >>>>>> 321-205-1100 x102 >>>>>> >>>>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" <dmburg...@linktechs.net> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:43 PM >>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First, you have to be a distributor of MT to be able to >>>>>>> certify. It >>>>>>> >> has >> >>>>>>> to be a certified system, as well has to have all of the images, >>>>>>> >> text >> >>>>>>> etc on it as well. You can only get those if you are a MT >>>>>>> >> distributor. >> >>>>>>> * ----------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>>>>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> >>>>>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>>>>>> WISPA Vendor Member* >>>>>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net >>>>>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/> >>>>>>> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* >>>>>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered >>>>>>> by >>>>>>> >> the >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is >>>>>> >> intended >> >>>>>> only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >>>>>>> >> material.. >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >>>>>> taking >>>>>> >> of any >> >>>>>> action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities >>>>>> >> other than >> >>>>>> the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the >>>>>>> >> material >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> from any computer. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Randy Cosby wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can you explain what you mean by "certified" then? What does >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> entail other than just putting together a board, antenna and >>>>>>>> radio >>>>>>>> >> that >> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> are fcc certified? Do you have the entire unit tested and >>>>>>>> >> certified, >> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> or >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> do yo see that as not necessary? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Randy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Eje Gustafsson wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cross roads are certified with the entire Pacific Wireless >>>>>>>>> line >>>>>>>>> >> of >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> antennas. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> R52 is certified with most of those as well (if not all). >>>>>>>>> You can >>>>>>>>> >> also >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> use >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> XR2/5 cards in RB SBC's. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are other solutions as well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We offer some certified pre built solutions more to come. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> / Eje Gustafsson >>>>>>>>> CTO >>>>>>>>> WISP-Router, Inc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>>>>>> >> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> On >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:56 PM >>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Old thread, but just curious where this has progressed. I've >>>>>>>>> >> seen >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> that >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JeffSoHoCo has "certified" gear. Is that based on the same >>>>>>>>> >> Mikrotik >> >>>>>>>>> program you describe here Mac? Is that information available >>>>>>>>> >> from >> >>>>>>>>> Mikrotik to any reseller? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Randy >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mac Dearman wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Word on the FCC certified gear is that they are working with >>>>>>>>>> >> USA >> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> based >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> resellers to get them up to speed to offer certified gear. >>>>>>>>>> It's >>>>>>>>>> >> all >> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> in the >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> paperwork at this point in time and we all know that the >>>>>>>>>> devil is >>>>>>>>>> >> in >> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> the >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> paperwork. It is on its way from what I understand and >>>>>>>>>> should be >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> readily >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> available in the near future. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>>>>>>>> >> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> ] >>>>>> On >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:12 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mikrotik has the Crossroads device out now. Not sure on >>>>>>>>>>> anyone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> else. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> think Mikrotik developing their own certified CPE shut down >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> everyone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> else. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Travis Johnson" <t...@ida.net> >>>>>>>>>>> To: <isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com>; "WISPA General List" >>>>>>>>>>> <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:37 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I thought a little while ago someone was talking about >>>>>>>>>>>> someone >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> that >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> working on making an FCC certified Mikrotik solution >>>>>>>>>>>> (RB532, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> etc.). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Does >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> anyone know the status on this or if it was even real? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Travis >>>>>>>>>>>> Microserv >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----------- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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