Ask your insurance company if the owner of the silo can be added as an
"additional insured" under your business insurance liability policy.
This is standard operating practice for most business liability
insurance. If they say yes, then you can go to the silo owners and show
them that they will be covered for any loss (up to your liability
limit) that could be caused by your equipment. jack Robert West wrote: Well, they never told me the name of their insurance company and I didn't want to give the impression that I didn't believe them so I didn't push it. I think I'll call our insurance guy on Monday and ask him if there would be any potential conflicts with any farm policies he has ever written. I would think that as long as we took on the liability of anything that we did, there wouldn't be a problem.Maybe if I get some assurances from our insurance company in writing from our guy and then approach her gently in a couple of weeks or so with some solid guarantees, we may overcome. It's just a kick in the pants today just minutes after ordering the equipment for that AP. My fault, I guess, for not getting an agreement signed when she said okay. Something I'm REALLY bad about doing. And the thing is, I know better. I used to help a friend of mine (now dead from the brain cancer, scary!) when he started his WISP and he operated the same way, on a handshake. Very, very bad. About a year or so ago, some company came in and bought up a few of the grain elevators he was on and since he had no paper on the deal, he was kicked off. And I mean KICKED OFF, as in, with no notice. A big part of his network was down for a few weeks while he looked for alternatives. And I always have that in my head when I'm being "pals" with the site owners. All my fault........ I admit it. -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Farm Insurance Conflict? Call the insurance company and ask them if this is true and if so how. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Robert West <robert.w...@just-micro.com>wrote:We have been planning on installing an AP on the top of a 100' Harvestore silo. We got the okay from the owner, a farmers widow, and took some measurements and planned out our route and all........ Just got a call from her nephew saying that they contacted their insurance company and theysaidit would violate their policy and the silo wouldn't be covered. We have a one million dollar policy, all for their inspection, and we are on top of other structures without a care from anyone. Without knowing who their insurance carrier is, could this be factual? I know the owner and the nephew both and thought this was a slam dunk, which it pretty much was up until today, and a 100' silo is hard to come by around here so it's a big letdown in the expansion plans. The question again though is, does having the AP and backhaul equipment on the grain legs and silos affect a farm policy? If so, what can we do to take away the concerns and burden from the site owners? Thanks. Robert West -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:52 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is itgettingbetter? "Don't be afraid to get creative with your backup connection. Mine is a $60 a month 6 meg down and 768k up DSL line. Sure we average 12 meg on the bandwidth graph, but it's better than being off. When I have to use the backup I limit all connections to 56k up and 100k down....." I agree. In my area, we use Time Warner for fiber and have 2 separate access points for them, each on different sides of the county where Time Warner are told us are not directly connected so that if someone runs off the road and smacks a pole, the whole system isn't down. To back that all up, we use 2 basic DSL lines from SBC. As Brian said, throttle is down so that at least the ones who can bear the slow speed can get what they need if they can stick it out. On a funny note, however, once during an outage, and just as a joke... I told a customer who just HAD to get on her Pogo.com that I could burn her off some internet on a CD and she could pick it up here in the office.Sheput the phone down before I could tell her it was a joke and I could hear her yelling to her husband how he needed to run to town and pick up the internet I was going to burn for her. She came back and said that was fine, she was going to send him in. Who would have thunk it??? So now it's a joke around here, "I'm gonna burn her some Google so she can get her mail" for anyone who is down. Rural Ohio, gotta love it. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is itgettingbetter? Don't be afraid to get creative with your backup connection. Mine is a$60a month 6 meg down and 768k up DSL line. Sure we average 12 meg on the bandwidth graph, but it's better than being off. When I have to use the backup I limit all connections to 56k up and 100k down..... Brian Tom DeReggi wrote: Actually, I disagree with your example. You let your customer down, not Qwest. Did you route them out your secondary transit? If you didn;t have one, thats not the customer's faught. Did you let him know that you are trying to contact Quest yourself to get more information on an ETA, and influence a work around? Did he feel you were in control of the situation? Or did you leave him to fend for himself, even though you were the expert on the technology? Sending the message, "oh well, its down, not my problem, let all my own customers suffer, so what" is not taking care of your clients. If you had communicated with your client making him feel like you were working towards defending his interests, he never would have took action into his own hands and called Qwest directly to investigate further, and get false answers. So yes, Customers can be irrational, often unfair and unforgiving, but if you want to keep your clients its up to you to deal with it and take care of them. Who's faught it is, is irrelevent. Customer Service is about taking careofthe customer. I just lost a customer 2 weeks ago. Power went out AGAIN! It keeps blowing breakers on electrical panels not under my controll or access. I can put UPSes there all day, but that does no good if breakers turn off upstreamofmy electrical Demarc. But DSL, CABLE, and Cellular EVDO didn't go out every time the property had power failures. It was my faught that I designed a business install to be behind an electric breaker that was outside my control to manage. If I did my job and took care of the client, I would have called the power company or property management and redesign an alternate solution, after the first couple of times the power went out. But I didn't. Yes, I lost the client, and yes, it was my fault. Blaiming it on the Power Company didn't work for long. Just keeping it real. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Ghering" <mailto:rgher...@gmail.com> <rgher...@gmail.com> To: "WISPA General List" <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is itgettingbetter? Yesterday, we had a long term upstream outage. Someone in Qwest killed our ATM upstream and somehow we were getting crosstalk to another ATM PVC. (Don't ask nobody can tell me how this was done). In the mean time customers are calling us screaming that they need their net. Our staff politely informs them all day long that this isn't a issue with us, its upstream. Some customers accept that and move on for the day. However the kicker!! One of our customers which is a dedicated 3 meg calls up and asks, "Are you down" I say yes at this time the internet is down due to a problem with qwest in Denver. The customer says "ok, do you have an ETA?" I tell him no not at this time the problem is with qwest not with us. Customer says "ok thanks" and hangs up. Not 20 minutes later I get a phone call from the customer, he's mad as hell and spitting nails. I only caught about 1/2 of what he had said. But it sounded like. "Your a damn lier, I call qwest, they have NO issues anywhere. I want my ****** Net or you can kiss my account goodbye a**hole.." Then he hangs up. ( mind you this is a business customer ) I call him back about an hour later and he says he's canceled. And will get service from somewhere else. How can this be? How was this my fault? Customers are irrational and stupid.. Agreed. lol.... Ryan On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:58 AM, Marlon K. Schafer <mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com> <o...@odessaoffice.com>wrote: roflol Rick this is a GOOD thing.... Your customers call you for all problems because YOU WILL ANSWER THE PHONE!!!!!! Sometimes great service levels suck. lol marlon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Kunze" <mailto:rku...@colusanet.com> <rku...@colusanet.com> To: "WISPA General List" <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 5:40 PM Subject: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is it gettingbetter? Customer calls just now. They ask if the Internet is "having trouble", I reply that there are no outages. She then says she called a couple of her friends in neighboring towns and they were all down too. She asks if any other people have called today with problems. I replied stating that a day doesn't go by without someone calling with such an issue etc. I ask her for some details, "any message on the screen?" She says that a message popped up that said, "No Input". I thought to myself for a minute and replied, "I'm unaware of any Windows message that says that." I asked, "This is in Explorer"? She said, "No, she can't get Explorer to run, nothing will run, the monitor is dark and a small message on the blank screen says "No Input." I would have thought that by now more of the general public would be starting to figure some of this out. It's discouraging to me that such an obvious hardware issue resulted in a call to see if the Internet is down. 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