For the Uber Geeks...
http://www.sflow.org/detectNAT/
Faisal Imtiaz
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
I believe you can also tell by the timestamps in the packets.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "ralph" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:38 PM
To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
> I think it was Earthlink that did have a technology by which they
> could see the different MACs behind a router. I wish I could remember
> how they said it worked. They did tell me that at the time, they were
> not worrying about how many computers were behind your NAT.
>
> Ralph
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:24 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
>
> Not seen a single solution that can do that. That is the functionality
> of NAT to hide what is behind it. I take advantage of it all the time
> when I'm staying in hotels. Use my own AP that allows my wifi enabled
> devices access and connect to the hotels system and I'm paying a
> single fee for the hotel that charges for internet.
>
> Only way to "fight" it in a MTU type environment or even with
> residential is educate the users and strike some fear into them that
> if they run open APs they could get in trouble if the others that
> piggy back on it does illegal things such as copyrighted filesharing,
> illegal p0rn or simply are virus infected and they this way risk
> getting infected and have their own computers compromised and become
> BOT slaves.
>
> Plus also let them know that they are paying for specific service
> speeds and if they let others use it a lot for free then themselves no
> longer have the speed for themselves and also possible point to the
> bit cap portion of the user agreement letting them know that their
> account could possibly be shut down prematurely because someone else
> is using up all their allow bit count.
>
>
> Some students will not care and there might be two apartment that even
> share
> the cost of the service and then you cannot do much about it besides maybe
> limit per connections etc to choke them out.
>
> What we do at one location (granted all pre-wired) is that the landlord is
> paying a small fee each month but then we provide free internet to the
> tenants just fast enough to work for a individual doing normal web
> browsing
> but then we also provide upgrade service on a for pay basis. The people
> that
> pay tend to be greedy and want it all to themselves ;)
>
> /Eje
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:56 PM
> To: [email protected]; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
>
> Mikrotik Hotspot does NOT have the capability of catching people behind
> NAT.
>
> Example:
>
> Joe buys a WRT54g. WRT54g bridges to the paid wireless network. Joe buys
> and account via laptop plugged into WRT54g. Joe plus in an AP behind the
> router and broadcasts ESSID "Free Internet". People mooch.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> improbable, must be the truth."
> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Scott Carullo
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Mikrotik Hotspot between them and the internet....
>>
>> Scott Carullo
>> Brevard Wireless
>> 321-205-1100 x102
>>
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>> > From: "Joe Laura" <[email protected]>
>> > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:17 PM
>> > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
>> >
>> > I had a nightmare trying to do apartment complexes. I thought I touched
>> on a
>> > goldmine when all the signups started comming in. Then as tennants
>> started
>> > firing up their own A/P's others would connect to them and cancel
>> service.
>> > How are youll dealing with this? Joe Laura
>> >
>> >
>> >
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