Amen Brother! -------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Leary" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 6:25 PM To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?
> ..and what's worse is even if E did take off, most of the business is > now going to the Chinese vendors ZTE and Huawei, who have the power of > their whole government behind them in terms of offering can't-say-no > sweet heart financing deals that vendors in capitalist countries can't > come close to offering. Sad, but true. Patriotism tends to disappear in > the mesmorizing glare of money. > > > Patrick Leary > Aperto Networks > 813.426.4230 mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Patrick Leary > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:18 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You? > > Amen from the peanut gallery Bret. You'd find interesting the, ahem, > discussion taking place between us and the big guys inside the WiMAX > Forum board room. I think it is fair to say some are dillusional about > the LTE. Maybe I would be too if I'd bet my entire company on mobile > WiMAX. And it is not that it is not a good standard -- it is. But best > seldom wins when battling politics and all the vested interests in the > status quo. Carriers never warmed to the idea of on open network; they > want to control all the devices that ride on their networks. > > Patrick Leary > Aperto Networks > 813.426.4230 mobile > > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Bret Clark > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:07 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You? > > > The 802.16e standard was a gallant effort, but by not be able to get the > cellular carriers on board early on was an ominous sign and I knew right > from the start that they wouldn't jump on board...open standards scare > telephone (AKA cellular) companies because it removes their ability to > control the end-users services and the pricing choke hold they have on > customers; hence the reason why the move to LTE. And before people say > LTE is standard base as well, I think we all agree its a controlled > standard made specifically for cellular carriers and not the little guy > trying to provide people with true alternatives. > > I agree with what you are saying Patrick with fact that the IEEE needs > to focus more on the 802.16d standard as the go forward standard. That's > not to say that the 802.16e standard can't play a role, but maybe it's > focus should change more from a mobile solution to a semi-mobile > solution. And what I mean by that it's a solution that provides > temporarily connections on the fly (hence the semi-mobile idea). For > example a business might be hosting a seminar at a conference center and > needs to bring in temporarily data connectivity for the day or a > companies main office has shut down due to some unforeseen event and > needs to open a remote office ASAP with instant data connectivity. > > In any case, having been someone who was involved with the IEEE 802.11 > standard (man I'm dating myself) if there was one thing I learn with my > involvement with the IEEE is that the best standards are the ones that > focus on doing one thing and do it well. > > Bret > > > Matt Liotta wrote: > > E is only really useful for mobile and mobile is not supportable > with the > current 3650 rules. > -Matt > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Tim Sylvester > <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I would like to see more vendors support 802.16e at > 3.65GHz. Also I would > like to see 802.16e at 3.65GHz supported in a netbook > and a USB dongle. > Does > anyone know if the Intel WiMAX chips support 3.65GHz? > > Tim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 3:34 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You? > > I look forward to seeing everyone at 4G World > next week. > Personally, I don't care for D or E in a fixed > deployment, but if you > nailed > me down I would go with D. WiMAX tries to be too > many things for too > many > people. WiMAX-based proprietary systems are far > more useful for fixed > deployments. > > -Matt > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Patrick Leary > <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > The subject question is one Aperto > thinks should be asked and now is > > > the > > > time to ask it. The WiMAX Forum has been > beating the 802.16e drum in > > > a > > > manner trying to chump 802.16d. The fact > is, there are two WiMAX > standards, not one. By the Forum's own > words from a 2005 paper it put > out in November 2005, penned by Monica > Paoli of Seza Fila: > > "The WiMAX Forum is committed to > providing optimized solutions for > fixed, nomadic, > portable and mobile broadband wireless > access. Two versions of WiMAX > address the > demand for these different types of > access: > * 802.16-2004 WiMAX. This is based on > the 802.16-2004 version of the > IEEE 802.16 > standard and on ETSI HiperMAN. It uses > Orthogonal Frequency Division > Multiplexing (OFDM) and supports fixed > and nomadic access in Line of > Sight > (LOS) and Non Line of Sight (NLOS) > environments. > * 802.16e WiMAX. Optimized for dynamic > mobile radio channels, this > version is > based on the 802.16e amendment and > provides support for handoffs and > roaming." > > It is time the Forum own up to their own > words, so Aperto is going to > asking the question at 4G World coming > up in Chicago next week. The > > > fact > > > is, the fixed standard is stable and > ideal for what it was designed > > > to > > > do: deliver fixed (and limited > nomadicity) wireless broadband. This > version of the standard is better, yes > better, than the mobile > > > version > > > for doing metroscale fixed. It provides > 13% more capacity per MHz and > 35% or so less latency. It can also be > configured for symmetric or > > > even > > > higher ratio upstream vs. downstream, > which is critical for networks > doing high capacity upstream like video > surveillance. > > For too long, vendors that now only do > the mobile standard have been > trying to squeeze the round peg of the > mobile standard into the > > > square > > > hole of fixed networks. This has been > confusing many, and leading > > > some > > > to overpay for their networks. Why pay > for millions in R&D for > > > features > > > that you can never use, especially in a > 3.65 GHz network where mobile > can't happen? We have seen "consultants" > spec'ing in E for 3.65 GHz, > thinking they will get interoperability > and even PC cards for their > networks. They also think they can get > self-install -- something this > community knows is not possible in 3.65 > GHz due to the power > restrictions placed on indoor modems. > Operators and other would-be > > > WiMAX > > > deployers are being hoodwinked. > > The E standard does enable use of > diversity, but it comes at a high > > > cost > > > and is of limited benefit for rural > operators. The truth is that > diversity is designed to increase link > budgets to support self- > > > install. > > > Basically, each standard has its place, > E is for people in 2.5 GHz > > > doing > > > self-install, like Clearwire, and we all > know the low service > (especially low upstream) packages > offered in Clearwire's service. D > > > is > > > better and cheaper for rural fixed > operators, and especially for > > > public > > > safety video type networks and > definitely for voice-centric users. D > > > is > > > better for enterprise, where many users > sit behind the CPE. E is > > > better > > > for roaming individual users with modest > expectations. > > We'd like to hear your opinions, and if > you like to discuss this with > > > us > > > while at 4G World, please drop me a > note. > > Regards, > > Patrick Leary > Aperto Networks > > > Patrick Leary > Aperto Networks > 813.426.4230 mobile > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ----------- > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ----------- > > > WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: > http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > WISPA Wants You! 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