By the way, it will also be interesting to see what the price points on
this will be. I can get you a 3-sector 60 mbps net capacity cell (at
full QoS load) for $20k, complete with local sync (no separate sync
module needed for local cell sync) and NMS with enterprise CPE (around
20 mb/s) for $300-$400ish. And that is with the WiMAX plus features
based on over a dozen QoS and link optimization patents. It is a really
good system, especially for people doing things like multi-line voice.
You won't get any interoperability with other vendors with that, but you
don't get that with Canopy either.


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 3:28 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

Patrick,

Motorola has an 802.16e variant product coming out early next year.
Supposed to be a fixed implementation of the 802.16e standard.

I'm sure we would all like to hear your thoughts on it

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com

>-----Original Message-----
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

>Behalf Of Patrick Leary
>Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 3:59 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?
>
>And you know that is fine. Just tired of the goofy drum beat for E. 
>Even though we are building E too, my opinion is that E is a standard 
>looking for a home now that LTE is clearly eating E's lunch for mobile 
>operators. So those guys who have gone all-or-nothing with E are 
>desparately trying to find places to sell it.
>
>The right tool for the job.
>
>I also think Motorola made a poor decision not to field a 3.65 product.
>They might have been able to run the table, but the fact is that your 
>business and that of all your peers in not interesting enough to 
>Motorola corporately to even modestly invest in new and evolving 
>products. For us, guys like you are our business.
>
>
>Patrick Leary
>Aperto Networks
>813.426.4230 mobile
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

>Behalf Of Gino Villarini
>Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:49 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?
>
>Im 802.16c, C as in Canopy
>
>Ducking....!!!
>
>Hello Patrick!
>
>
>Gino A. Villarini
>g...@aeronetpr.com
>Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

>Behalf Of Patrick Leary
>Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:28 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?
>
>The subject question is one Aperto thinks should be asked and now is 
>the time to ask it. The WiMAX Forum has been beating the 802.16e drum 
>in a manner trying to chump 802.16d. The fact is, there are two WiMAX 
>standards, not one. By the Forum's own words from a 2005 paper it put 
>out in November 2005, penned by Monica Paoli of Seza Fila:
>
>"The WiMAX Forum is committed to providing optimized solutions for 
>fixed, nomadic, portable and mobile broadband wireless access. Two 
>versions of WiMAX address the demand for these different types of
>access:
>* 802.16-2004 WiMAX. This is based on the 802.16-2004 version of the 
>IEEE 802.16 standard and on ETSI HiperMAN. It uses Orthogonal Frequency

>Division Multiplexing (OFDM) and supports fixed and nomadic access in 
>Line of Sight
>(LOS) and Non Line of Sight (NLOS) environments.
>* 802.16e WiMAX. Optimized for dynamic mobile radio channels, this 
>version is based on the 802.16e amendment and provides support for 
>handoffs and roaming."
>
>It is time the Forum own up to their own words, so Aperto is going to 
>asking the question at 4G World coming up in Chicago next week. The 
>fact is, the fixed standard is stable and ideal for what it was 
>designed to
>do: deliver fixed (and limited nomadicity) wireless broadband. This 
>version of the standard is better, yes better, than the mobile version 
>for doing metroscale fixed. It provides 13% more capacity per MHz and 
>35% or so less latency. It can also be configured for symmetric or even

>higher ratio upstream vs. downstream, which is critical for networks 
>doing high capacity upstream like video surveillance.
>
>For too long, vendors that now only do the mobile standard have been 
>trying to squeeze the round peg of the mobile standard into the square 
>hole of fixed networks. This has been confusing many, and leading some 
>to overpay for their networks. Why pay for millions in R&D for features

>that you can never use, especially in a 3.65 GHz network where mobile 
>can't happen? We have seen "consultants" spec'ing in E for 3.65 GHz, 
>thinking they will get interoperability and even PC cards for their 
>networks. They also think they can get self-install -- something this 
>community knows is not possible in 3.65 GHz due to the power 
>restrictions placed on indoor modems. Operators and other would-be 
>WiMAX deployers are being hoodwinked.
>
>The E standard does enable use of diversity, but it comes at a high 
>cost and is of limited benefit for rural operators. The truth is that 
>diversity is designed to increase link budgets to support self-install.
>
>Basically, each standard has its place, E is for people in 2.5 GHz 
>doing self-install, like Clearwire, and we all know the low service 
>(especially low upstream) packages offered in Clearwire's service. D is

>better and cheaper for rural fixed operators, and especially for public

>safety video type networks and definitely for voice-centric users. D is

>better for enterprise, where many users sit behind the CPE. E is better

>for roaming individual users with modest expectations.
>
>We'd like to hear your opinions, and if you like to discuss this with 
>us while at 4G World, please drop me a note.
>
>Regards,
>
>Patrick Leary
>Aperto Networks
>
>
>Patrick Leary
>Aperto Networks
>813.426.4230 mobile
>
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