I'm including the 40% in the gerrymandering statement. In another response I pointed out that you have to "win" on every argument the applicant makes, not just on the arguments you want to make.
Chuck On Sep 15, 2009, at 2:16 PM, Vickie Edwards wrote: > " They went out of their way to encourage "gerrymandering" in > the applications, which included the ability to include covered > territory as long as the total number of already covered households > was under 50% (which it is in this case as it's been explained to > us)." > > Or that there's a less than 40% subscribership rate - a lot of > people seem to be forgetting that. That's the only way that a lot of > applications will be able to remain in consideration for underserved > status, given how difficult it is in most areas to find anywhere > with less than 50% availability. > > > InLine> > vickie edwards, MPA | Grant Specialist > InLine> Solutions Through Technology > 600 Lakeshore Pkwy > Birmingham AL, 35209 > 205-278-8106 [p] > 205-941-1934[f] > vedwa...@inline.com > www.InLine.com > All Quotes from InLine are only valid for 30 days. 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If verification is > required please request a hard-copy version. > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:56 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects > > The problem is, it's a fair amount of effort to challenge since *you* > have to challenge it at the census block level, just as they had to > justify it at the census block level. > > And if the area is as the poster describes, it's impossible to > challenge. He might have a very good reason why he can't reach even > 50% of the residents (that's what he said, I'll remind you) in his > area. But, it is irrelevant. They don't care *why* you can't reach the > other households...they just care that you don't. > > If this is a big application then it's going to cover far more than > his territory anyway, and you will NOT be able to have a section cut > out of an otherwise qualifying target census set just because you do > cover it. They went out of their way to encourage "gerrymandering" in > the applications, which included the ability to include covered > territory as long as the total number of already covered households > was under 50% (which it is in this case as it's been explained to us). > > Chuck > > On Sep 15, 2009, at 12:16 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: > >> Yes, It definateately IS appropriate to attempt to BLOCK bad >> applications. >> The NTIA/RUS has no way to know if an applcation is innapproriate or >> in >> conflict of interest if we dont tell them. >> Quite honestly, the applicant may not know it is in conflict of >> interest >> without telling them. >> >> I specifically hate applacation that just selected 1 HUGE contiguous >> area. >> The reason is, they did't take the time that they should ahve to >> look down >> to the census block level to determine what blocks really are and >> aren't >> underserved areas. If anything it is the LARGE AREA applicants that >> are >> attempting to scam the system, to get grant money for served areas, >> with the >> hope no one will protest it. >> >> There is nothing wrong with competition. But this grant is NOT >> creating >> competition. It is giving the applicant a SUPER HUGE advantage over >> any >> other pre-existing provider in the area, and that is anti- >> American,and >> anti-fair-competition in my mind. >> >> To give a new provider a free network, and the existing provider no >> funds, >> is a disaster plan to put pre-existing businesses out of business, >> and to >> risk throwing away the much investment made by those original >> entreprenures. >> >> What I recommend is that people diligently protest, but with fact, >> and >> suggested resolution. The goal should NOT to prevent the party from >> gaining >> a grant to serve truely underserved/unserved areas, but to instead >> incourage >> NTIA/RUS to force the applicant to revise its applicant to remedy the >> conflict of Interest. Also note that once an area gets a grant, it >> very >> possible that NTIA/RUS may never give another grant to that same >> area. When >> this is done at the Census Block level it is no problem, because >> applicants >> can narrow down to each area that they serve and dont serve. But when >> someone lists an ENTIRE County, it risks that future legitimate >> application >> for needy census blocks will be denied because of the area being >> recorded as >> already served by a grant applicant. Is it right for an Entire >> county to be >> given to a new provider? Remember applicants are required to serve >> ALL >> customer in an area. That means they will be getting grant money to >> put you >> out of business. >> >> I also think there is a misconception that the protestor must prove >> the data >> that shows its not underserved. I do not believe that is 100% true. >> I think >> ther eis a clear valid arguement that if an applicant cant afford to >> gather >> the mapping data to file for their own grant, they surely should not >> be >> required to spent lots of money to map the errors in other people's >> application. >> I believe aprotestor should only have to protest to the level that >> creates a >> reasonable amount of doubt about the applicant. The burden to prove >> coverage is on the applicant's original submission. So if you >> protest an >> applicant by saying it is a served area by cable and fios, the >> applicant's >> original data should have to prove it FIOS and Cable does not >> overlap it, >> not you. >> If they submitted incomplete documetnation, that is there problem, >> and >> should lead to the disqualification of their application. >> >> You being a provider in the area with a small market share, will not >> likely >> be enough to protest an application on its own, but it should still >> be >> possible to build a case. >> For example, lets say there are three applicants, and two were >> careful not >> tto overlap your coverage, but one applicant did overlap you. Simple >> state >> that the applicant that overlapped you clearly did not do his >> homework to >> isolate which areas are served or not, and that you support the >> other two >> applicants that properly identified and avoided conflciting areas. >> >> The idea is to develop support for the applications that won't harm >> you. And >> give the NTIA/RUS an option to award grants that will create >> possitive press >> and not negative press. >> I beleive the overnment wants this program to besuccessful, and >> nobody wants >> an aftermath press stating things like "grant money puts local >> businesses >> out of business". >> >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "L. Aaron Kaplan" <aa...@lo-res.org> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:49 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects >> >> >> >> On Sep 15, 2009, at 2:20 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: >> >>> Digital Bridge has asked for money for Underserved for the county >>> that I service, the whole county. >>> Questions: >>> 1. Since I am the only WISP in the Rural areas of my county and my >>> standard is 1024/256 with 2.4 and there is 50% of the clients that I >>> cant get due to trees. I assume that that will be seen as >>> Underserved. Is there anything that I can do to get this blocked? >> >> Just a quit though - correct me if I am wrong, but... >> >> Isnt blocking competition very un-American somehow? >> Is "blocking" even possible? >> >> I hope you also applied for getting thru the trees, no? >> >> >>> 2. Now it appears that they asked for money for all the Census >>> blocks in the county. ALL the cities have My service, DSL, and >>> Cable. How can that be labeled as Underserved. If we get one Block >>> rejected does that stop the one request which would be all my area? >> >> --- >> there's no place like 127.0.0.1, except maybe ::1 (someday) >> >> (üäö) >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> WISPA Wants You! 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