I am just not getting this. We have two competitors that state that they can provide 14 Mbps wireless broadband to a very heavily tree canopied area. The best we could do is with 900 MHz and that would only provide 3.3 Mbps, if luck.
How can these folks get away with such amazing statements? Victoria -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 2:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects I dont have much confident in anyone gaining access to someone else's network inexpensively, unless that network is owned by a small local company, short in front end sales resources themselves, that truly benefits from having other partners to drive demand. Example... Yesterday I tried to buy capacity (7 mbps) Wholesale access to TowerStream's broadband network for 1 day, and they quoted me $11,000 and refused to budge. And they had a live tower/NOC 500 yards away. The wholesale price for 1 year, would have been just as bad. Obviously, we chose another option. To them, its all about what the market will bear, and has absolutely nothing to do with their cost. Many grant winners will have the same mentality, and the fact that they got their grant for free, will have no effect on their pricing sctructure, or pricing structure for wholesale, or desire to even havea wholesale offering. The truth is, I just dont see Public traded or VC funded companies sharing their grant funded networks ethically, regardless of the open access requirments. And a lot of the grant winners are likely going to be the one with financial and investment backing. Its different for small WISPs. Small WISPs partner with other WISPs all the time, because there is a mutual benefit for doing so. I sure hope some small WISPs win some grants, and maybe the wholesale requirements of the program might actually make it to a beneficial reality. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert West" <robert.w...@just-micro.com> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects > Nah, the plan they have is just to use microwave to bring it in. A system > of towers, is what they propose. No fiber. A million bucks worth of > towers > and radios? > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:18 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects > > Why not? You should be able to take advantage of that cheaper > bandwidth too I'd think. Assuming it's a fiber build, they are going > to have tons of excess capacity. > > Chuck > > On Sep 17, 2009, at 9:20 AM, Robert West wrote: > >> In our case, our competitor applied for a shade under a million >> bucks to >> provide middle mile into the area, as in to bring cheaper broadband >> to the >> masses. That doesn't sound like it will benefit us, the cheaper >> broadband >> is for their system. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch >> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:28 PM >> To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects >> >> Though it is a requirement (as Tim set out), the requirement doesn't >> really have a lot of teeth in my view. If a competitor doesn't want >> you on, they can design it so it's hard to get on. >> >> For example, a fiber carrier has to have an attachment point built in >> for you to attach at a given location. If there isn't one nearby, well >> tough. >> >> If there is an attachment point but you can't come to terms, it goes >> to arbitration. However, they aren't obligated to give you wholesale >> access...just "attachment", whatever the heck that means. There just >> seems to me to be 100 ways to Sunday for a large carrier to play their >> usual games with this stuff and block the intent. >> >> So basically, based on the wording of the rule, it's hard to see how >> they are going to achieve the intent behind the goal unless the >> provider is willing to and interested in doing so. >> >> Chuck >> >> >> On Sep 15, 2009, at 10:39 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: >> >>> Does the process explicitly say that an awarded company has to open >>> their network to competition? Or is this sort of a vague rule? >>> >>> Scottie >>> >>> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>> From: Chuck Bartosch <ch...@clarityconnect.com> >>> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:06:11 -0400 >>> >>>> There is no provision in the rules to protest a plan because you >>>> don't >>>> think it's a good plan. >>>> >>>> In fact, there's an OMB circular (from July I believe) that >>>> explicitly >>>> disallows ANY communication until the evaluation process is over >>>> about >>>> individual applications with the grant reviewers OR the agency over >>>> anything except for contesting an application due to your coverage >>>> area. I don't think I kept a copy of that circular, but I'm sure you >>>> can find it on line. >>>> >>>> The only exception is if they reach out to you-but they are >>>> instructed >>>> to ignore and refuse any other input. They are bound by law on this. >>>> >>>> Just to be clear here, you *could* talk to them in very general >>>> terms >>>> about how the application process worked. But you cannot talk in any >>>> form about an individual application, yours or anyone else's. >>>> >>>> It might sound like I'm nay-saying here, but I'm just pointing out >>>> what the law allows you to do-and it doesn't allow the approach >>>> you're >>>> suggesting as I understood the circular. >>>> >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> On Sep 15, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: >>>> >>>>> Its also feasible to protest a plan simply because its a poor plan. >>>>> The >>>>> NTIA/RUS needs to approve grants for companies that use tax payer >>>>> money >>>>> optimally wisely and benefit the public, and >>>>> adhere to the NOFA rules. If you think you can do a better plan, >>>>> but didn;t >>>>> have time to submit it until Round2, why should the ROund1 plan get >>>>> approved >>>>> if its less good? >>>>> And if one doubts the entent of an applicant, we should tell NTIA >>>>> what we >>>>> think. We are not only competing providers, but we are also the >>>>> public that >>>>> has to pay the taxes 5to fund these projects. >>>>> >>>>> I know in my State, there were numerous good applications that >>>>> targeted >>>>> truely needy areas, and made an effort to avoid other provider >>>>> infrastructure. I plan to support those projects. >>>>> For example only about 20% in my opinion were bad applications that >>>>> would >>>>> directly compete with me and other WISPs in their core markets. I >>>>> plan to >>>>> protest that 20%. Anyone that was smart would have avoided pre- >>>>> existing >>>>> providers or called them a head of time to work benefit for them >>>>> into the >>>>> proposal to gain their support. If they didn't do that, they >>>>> deserve to >>>>> have their applications protested, in my opinion. >>>>> >>>>> As well, if a grant application covers an area that you entended on >>>>> applying >>>>> for in Round2, I see no problem in telling NTIA/RUS that, and >>>>> advising that >>>>> the Round1 funds are oversubscribed, and Round1 funds should go to >>>>> projects >>>>> without alledged conflict of interests first, and at minimum deny >>>>> the >>>>> conflcit of interest applicants until round2, where they can be >>>>> mroe >>>>> fairly >>>>> considered, and so there is more time to gain fact on what is and >>>>> isn't >>>>> underserved areas, and consider all potential applicants for the >>>>> areas. >>>>> >>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "L. Aaron Kaplan" <aa...@lo-res.org> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 9:19 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Seriously? You would categorize government-subsidized broadband >>>>>>> expansion >>>>>>> as capitalistic competition? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I should have said - receiving some funds and thus increasing the >>>>>> speed of biz expansion. >>>>>> I see nothing un-capitalistic per se about receiving funds in >>>>>> order >>>>>> to >>>>>> revive the economy. >>>>>> >>>>>> The real question however is, will *only* the big boys get >>>>>> something >>>>>> thus driving the smaller boys out of biz! >>>>>> (maybe that is the case in the original posting and I just did not >>>>>> know it). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *If* the stimulus package would be needed in the first place >>>>>> however, >>>>>> is of course a completely different topic. >>>>>> >>>>>> But seems like I just put my fingers into a wound. 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