Yep, very true. How come we never use the "Chat" list for these discussions? ;-)
Chuck On Oct 9, 2009, at 12:29 PM, Randy Cosby wrote: > What gets scary is when countries like China and Saudi Arabia start > talking about not pegging to the dollar, or even selling commodities > based on the dollar. Then it's a whole new ball game and who knows > who > will set the "standard". We have an artificial advantage with the > dollar, and if that goes away, we don't have as much fudge room. > > Randy > > Chuck Bartosch wrote: >> On Oct 9, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Robert West wrote: >> >> >>> It will never, stay worth what it is today. As long as there are >>> people out >>> there looking to make a little extra cash, it will always creep up. >>> It's >>> the nature of free enterprise. >>> >> >> There have been times when the dollar's value has gone up, not down. >> By policy on a national level we don't ever want to see the 1930's >> again though. >> >> The dollar's value creeps down from inflation because in general we >> want inflation...just not very much of it. If the dollar's value is >> rising, then spending money today instead of tomorrow means you lose >> value. That has the effect of dampening economic growth in those rare >> times when people are acting rationally (though perhaps rare, it does >> act like a general force). With some mild inflation, you're better >> off >> to some extent spending money now, compared to putting it in a >> mattress at least. >> >> Anyway, deflation is often described as a bigger threat to us, if it >> were to occur again, than inflation. The struggle with inflation >> isn't >> to eliminate it but to keep it predictable and relatively low-but not >> zero. >> >> Chuck >> >> >> >>> Let's just admit we're old. :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:39 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP >>> growth >>> >>> 5% increase of costs don't stop at just bread. It costs 5% more to >>> ship. >>> Your WISP gear. Gas and truck. Payroll. >>> >>> If it costs more to get into the US it costs more to get to you. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, >>> however >>> improbable, must be the truth." >>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I understand that.... so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, >>>> it >>>> goes up to $2.10. >>>> >>>> So because of that "fear", everyone wants to find a different place >>>> to >>>> put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me. >>>> >>>> Travis >>>> Microserv >>>> >>>> Jeff Ehman wrote: >>>> >>>>> Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any >>>>> >>>> individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. >>>> Cost >>>> >>> of >>> >>>> production increases greatly. The only way they can make money >>>> is to >>>> increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the >>>> price >>>> >>> to >>> >>>> individual consumers. It creates inflation. >>>> >>>>> -Jeff Ehman >>>>> >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >>>>> boun...@wispa.org] On >>>>> >>>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson >>>> >>>>> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP >>>>> growth >>>>> >>>>> I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is >>>>> "worth >>>>> >>>> less" to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or >>>> pay my >>>> power bill, why does it matter? >>>> >>>>> Travis >>>>> Microserv >>>>> >>>>> RickG wrote: >>>>> >>>>> "put some money in the bank" >>>>> >>>>> The question is: which currency? >>>>> >>>>> With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do >>>>> in the >>>>> >>>> bank? >>>> >>>>> I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because >>>>> its >>>>> >>>>> gonna be worthless soon. >>>>> >>>>> Any other ideas guys? >>>>> >>>>> -RickG >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer <o...@odessaoffice.com >>>>> <mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, what he said! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in >>>>> the >>>>> >>>> bank >>>> >>>>> over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those >>>>> companies >>>>> >>>> up. >>>> >>>>> marlon >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> >>>>> From: "Marco Coelho" <coelh...@gmail.com><mailto:coelh...@gmail.com >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org><mailto:wireless@wispa.org >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Patrick, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Not being one for gov money.... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand >>>>> at a >>>>> >>>>> rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>> cycle goes: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1. Build out X number of Towers. >>>>> >>>>> 2. Market X number of Areas. >>>>> >>>>> 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Repeat. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are >>>>> going to >>>>> >>>>> go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build >>>>> >>>>> build Build.... Ah shit no revenue! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the >>>>> company. >>>>> >>>>> That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are >>>>> very >>>>> >>>>> hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 >>>>> are >>>>> >>>>> worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth >>>>> >>>>> hiring. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Always a ray of sunshine! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marco Coelho >>>>> >>>>> Argon Technologies Inc. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG >>>>> <rgunder...@gmail.com><mailto: >>>>> >>>> rgunder...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Patrick, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. >>>>> >>>>> #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are >>>>> >>>>> available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. >>>>> >>>>> #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion >>>>> >>>>> versus daily operations. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Notes- >>>>> >>>>> Employees: Too small to enjoy such a "luxury". >>>>> >>>>> Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. >>>>> >>>>> Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless >>>>> you >>>>> >>>>> buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -RickG >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary <ple...@apertonet.com >>>>> <mailto:ple...@apertonet.com> >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or >>>>> other, I >>>>> >>>>> am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and >>>>> why? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Some possibilities: >>>>> >>>>> Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen >>>>> or >>>>> >>>>> otherwise gone? >>>>> >>>>> Is it competition? If so, how specifically. >>>>> >>>>> Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee >>>>> benefits >>>>> >>>>> (e.g. health insurance)? >>>>> >>>>> Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus >>>>> application? >>>>> >>>>> Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus >>>>> >>>>> application that would include your market? >>>>> >>>>> Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall >>>>> inadequate to >>>>> >>>>> deliver what you need to compete? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Patrick Leary >>>>> >>>>> Aperto Networks >>>>> >>>>> 813.426.4230 mobile >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- >>> >>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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