MDK, I welcome and incourage you to speak your mind and opinions.
However, as a co-moderator, I must ask you to refrain from swearing and derogatory references in your posts. Its is clearly against List rules and not appropriate for a public list, as well as grounds for immediate list suspension. Consider this Email a final warning. Respectfully, Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "MDK" <rea...@muddyfrogwater.us> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF changes? >I cannot believe this. > > WISPA has sold it's soul to the devil, and is now preaching the message. > > There is NO SUCH DAMN THING AS FREE MONEY. > > Taking it WILL result in the feds coming and directing your business, > controlling every aspect. Have you seen the news about TARP and other > bailouts? This government is coming for you. It will set your rates, > control your pay, and mandate your operations. Even if no such statutory > obligations exist, we are no longer governed by laws or even any > semblance > of legislation - merely by whatever destroying you can yield in political > benefits to the politicians. And if puts you under, they will dance on > your grave, while they sing songs about the death of the greedy. > > It is IMMORAL to take this money, when we as a nation are so broke. > > Let someone else go to hell. I am neither fighting for it, nor would I > accept it if you came to my door begging me to take a "free" check. I > would rather go hungry and cold. Someday I will meet my Maker and I > intend > to say "I did the right thing even when it was unpopular". > > Stand on principle, people, or be the same as the whores who have caused > the > credit crisis, currency crisis, insurance crisis, and the list goes on and > on. If WISPA cannot stand on that principle, it has exactly the same > qualities and virtues as the damnable souls who have created this economic > mess - that is, NONE WHATSOEVER. Someone, SOMEWHERE has to. The fact > that millions of us in this country did NOT is why we're in this economic > mess. This has to change, and it has to change WITH EVERY INDIVIDUAL > OUT > THERE. Be the solution, or be the cause. There's no other choices. > > Marlon, you and I have now parted ways. I absolutely cannot believe you > would be such a whore for money, as to do immoral crap like this. > > As for anyone else with the same opinion? Take it the same. > > I don't give a flying damn if my competitors get millions. I don't even > care if it results in my business failure. My conscience matters, that > does not, in the overall scheme of life. Where are you going to stand? > I intend to earn any dime I ever have, not by taking it in a most immoral > display of theft. > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <o...@odessaoffice.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 8:15 AM > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF changes? > >> Mark, we've been through all of this before. >> >> You are RIGHT in that it's non of the government's business. This is >> also >> NOT their problem. >> >> But the fact that you and I (and probably most people here) think that >> doesn't change the facts. Just because you wish your tire isn't flat or >> think that there's absolutely no reason for it to be flat doesn't make it >> unflat when it is in fact, flat. >> >> We warned you (and others) what, at least 5 or 6 years ago now? File the >> 477 or someday the lack of data on what we're doing will come back to >> bite >> us in the rear ends. Now we have the ARRA with it's billions of dollars >> floating around out there and it looks like much of that money will not >> only >> end up in the hands of our competitors, those competitors will be quasi >> government or flat out government entities! And WE'RE helping them by >> sticking our heads in the sand when they ask us for data that anyone with >> any desire at all can figure out anyway. >> >> Wake up already. We are loosing this fight. It's time for a new >> strategy. >> marlon >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "MDK" <rea...@muddyfrogwater.us> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF changes? >> >> >>> Yes, they do understand it. You're not understanding the point. The >>> telcos have big bucks to lobby with, and benefit the regulators. We do >>> not. Thus, we will NEVER be on their "list". We cannot get onto >>> the >>> top of the rolodex until we have millions with which to lobby, and can >>> legally bribe a bunch of government agencies. >>> >>> There is no benefit to offering them data, free labor, etc. The >>> mandates >>> will get larger, deeper, more and more costly, and the benefits promised >>> by >>> certain individuals will never EVER happen. And, should it ever reach >>> the >>> point we actually pinch the telcos or cablecos enough for them to get >>> concerned, they will call in the favors and have us obliterated. >>> Welcome >>> to the new generation of thug politics in DC. Just look what's >>> happening >>> to broadcast industry, the insurance industry, etc. "You exist to >>> benefit >>> our political aspirations. The moment you fail in that regard, you will >>> be >>> shredded, beaten, whipped, ruined, bankrupted and criminalized". >>> Either >>> you're a political ally, or you're toast. >>> >>> This administration has removed all semblances of public service and has >>> officially made it federal policy to conduct political wars upon the >>> people, >>> businesses, enterprises, and even the states, if there is any political >>> benefit to doing so. It is federal malevolence at the highest level >>> ever >>> seen before in this country. And it's getting worse by massive leaps >>> and >>> bounds. Even appointees to the FCC have made this clear, in >>> demonstrating >>> they believe in the direction and control of media and industry for the >>> benefit of the political class. >>> >>> I argued years ago that surrendering our sovereignty to the feds was a >>> recipe for industry disaster. So far, I've been called stupid, >>> extreme, >>> radical, idiotic, mindless, and a kook for thinking so. Trying being a >>> health insurance company, doctor, investor, banker or any one of a >>> number >>> of >>> recently demonized groups. The White House has decided it can control >>> your prices, wages, services, products, and policies, if ANY public >>> money >>> passes to you or even if you just happen to be in an industry that gets >>> political attention. Even if it just means a bailed out company did >>> business with you. Or, your service is considered "important" or >>> "essential". >>> >>> They haven't gotten around to us yet, but we're in the crosshairs. >>> After >>> all, we're in business to make a profit, and anyone making a profit >>> needs >>> to be slapped down and destroyed. We should have stood for our >>> independence, instead of lusting after public money, but no, principle >>> is >>> foolish, and money is all that matters, I was told. Well, you got what >>> you >>> wanted. And I'm still around to say "I told you so". The pursuit of >>> favors, public money, loans, grants... That was just too enticing, >>> wasn't >>> it? The country's going to hell in a handbasket financially, because >>> everyone's holding their hand out waiting for someone else's money to >>> flow >>> their way, courtesy of politicians. And lots of the leadership of >>> WISPA >>> was arguing and holding out the promise of "getting someone else's >>> money" >>> for the industry. >>> >>> Well, ALL of you, and ALL of the same greedy mentalities all through our >>> industry and nation have set the situation up that it's all come home to >>> roost, and the taxpayers are... well, paying for it. Unemployment, >>> ruined >>> retirements, bankruptcy, and so on. >>> >>> You should have stood on principle, not on greed. Best never invite >>> me >>> to >>> an "industry gathering" or I'll tell you what I really think. It would >>> not >>> be pretty. >>> >>> I haven't read this list in months, been busy. But nothing has >>> changed. >>> We've still got WISPA leadership promoting the lusting after public >>> money. >>> Damn you for your immorality. The consequences are all around us, the >>> people have suffered greatly because of that kind of thinking... And >>> you're >>> STILL DOING IT??? >>> >>> I don't want to hear "they're going to give it anyway, might as well get >>> your share". Hell no. We should put our country first, and the lust >>> for >>> easy "someone else's money" given the boot. But we've been sold out >>> to >>> the FCC by former leadership urging the FCC to regulate and mandate >>> stuff >>> on >>> our part for them. In return, of course, for vague hints something >>> might >>> "come our way". >>> >>> Shame on every one of you who took, is trying to get, or even thinking >>> of >>> trying to get your hands on someone else's money. It wasn't just a >>> political matter after all. It was moral, too. And look at the >>> consequences it wrought. >>> >>> Ok, enough. I'm angry now and starting to get worked up. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Scottie Arnett" <sarn...@info-ed.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:55 AM >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF changes? >>> >>>> And they forgot all about the other ISP's out there. They are leaving >>>> it >>>> up to the telcos to supply the demand! Do they(The FCC) not understand >>>> that other companies besides the telcos and cable companies offer >>>> Internet >>>> access? >>>> >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>>> From: RickG <rgunder...@gmail.com> >>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:49:39 -0500 >>>> >>>>>Warning: "The bill also drew early praise from AT&T" >>>>> >>>>>On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Blair Davis <the...@wmwisp.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.internetnews.com/infra/article.php/3847366/Lawmakers+Float+Bill+to+Boost+Rural+Broadband.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not sure I need any more gov. interference! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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