There are 5 customers on it. It is horizontal, and yes, 5 MHz. I call it my trouble sector. I put on a handful of those distant trouble customers. The greatly improved signal to noise makes it work quite well. I don't think any of them are doing VOIP. I see greater than 12 on a couple of them?
At 09:04 PM 11/22/2009, you wrote: >Am I reading it correctly that your AP is transmitting at 12Mbit >modulation on a 5MHz channel, which is 3MBit aggregate at best case >scenario? If you do a speed test, what is the best download you can get >out of it? 3-400kB/s? On an aggregate level, your VoIP would probably >have an issue the first time one of the other CPE's start's receiving >data. > >Regards, >Chuck Hogg >Shelby Broadband >502-722-9292 >ch...@shelbybb.com >http://www.shelbybb.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Mike >Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 9:54 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10MHz, 5MHz - unstable for voice? > >LOL, I guess my little image didn't get embedded. Some connections >are 12, some 48, and the closest 54. > >Mike > > >At 08:13 PM 11/22/2009, you wrote: > >It is very weird isn't it? > > > >Vi is better the Emacs. > > > >On 11/22/09, Mike <m...@aweiowa.com> wrote: > > > Josh: > > > > > > I thought that too. I have a handful of customers on a 5 MHz > > > sector. Winbox shows this: > > > > > > Emacs! > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > At 07:32 PM 11/22/2009, you wrote: > > >>I believe when you half the channels the rates also get halved - >from > > >> 54mbit > > >>to 27mbit max (that is from 20mhz to 10mhz channels). > > >> > > >>I also can't see why you're voice would be having problems in half >or > > >>quarter channels unless there is a software bug. It should only >improve > > >>unless you're using all available bandwidth. > > >> > > >>Josh Luthman > > >>Office: 937-552-2340 > > >>Direct: 937-552-2343 > > >>1100 Wayne St > > >>Suite 1337 > > >>Troy, OH 45373 > > >> > > >>"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." > > >>--- Albert Einstein > > >> > > >> > > >>On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> >wrote: > > >> > > >> > First, you should have a better signal than -70 at <5Miles away >with a > > >> > 24dB/NS2 antenna and a B2HP/9dB omni. I get 65 or better with a >19dB > > >> > panel. > > >> > > > >> > Don't forget, 10MHz channel is 1/2 available bandwidth and 5MHz >is 1/4 > > >> > available bandwidth. Really, you will get about 7-10MBit >aggregate > > >> > (depending on how many customers) on a 5MHz channel connected at >54MBit, > > >> > which requires signals at -74dBm with a good fade margin (10dB). >Also, > > >> > the TX power is significantly less for 54MBps (23dBm) vs >24MBps(28dBm), > > >> > less than half. Likely, you are connecting at 48MBps or 36Mbps, >which > > >> > at that rate your total available "real case" bandwidth is as >little as > > >> > 4MBps, while at 20MHz you are at 15+. > > >> > > > >> > A narrower channel should not affect your transmission, likely >will make > > >> > signals better, roughly double (+3dBm) from 20-10, and double >from > > >> > 10-5(total +6dBm). > > >> > > > >> > Regards, > > >> > Chuck Hogg > > >> > Shelby Broadband > > >> > 502-722-9292 > > >> > ch...@shelbybb.com > > >> > http://www.shelbybb.com > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > >> > Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com > > >> > Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 6:20 PM > > >> > To: WISPA General List > > >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10MHz, 5MHz - unstable for voice? > > >> > > > >> > Well next time definitely bring more food! Beef jerky and granola >bars. > > >> > > > >> > In my testing the narrower channels just made things slower. I >was > > >> > testing in a pristine area where there was no other 5.8GHz going >on. > > >> > >From what I hear if the environment had been polluted >performance might > > >> > have actually gone up with the narrower channels. > > >> > > > >> > >From what I've read narrower channels doesn't effect packet size >or > > >> > transport. But switching to WDS bridged does. > > >> > > > >> > Greg > > >> > On Nov 22, 2009, at 6:15 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > Its not in the field, but it is sitting here in my bedroom >looking > > >> > cool :). > > >> > > > > >> > > I was thinking that using the 10/5MHz bandwidth required one to >setup > > >> > > something else. I'm not that familiar with the use of >half/quarter > > >> > rate > > >> > > channels and how that affects the frame transport/packet size >etc,. > > >> > > > > >> > > I wonder if it was environment based rather than > > >> > > 'software/configuration' based. If I get some time this >evening I > > >> > might > > >> > > setup the gear again for more focused testing (Testing in the >field > > >> > with > > >> > > volunteers who are cold and hungry dont usually respond well to > > >> > testing > > >> > > plans). > > >> > > > > >> > > -Israel > > >> > > > > >> > > os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: > > >> > >> Just for kicks I'd try WDS bridged. Do you have control from >where > > >> > you're at now? Is the equipment still set up? > > >> > >> > > >> > >> Greg > > >> > >> > > >> > >> On Nov 22, 2009, at 6:02 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >>> @Travis Johnson - Yes Upgraded to newest firmware for the two >units > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> @os10rules - Nope, Fixed was simple AP and Mobile was Station >modes > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>>> Running WDS bridged? > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> Greg > > >> > >>>> On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:37 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>>> Hey All, > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> I did some field tests (for overseas volunteer project) >with some > > >> > >>>>> Ubituiti gear; Nanostation2 & Bullet2HP. > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> One thing that was surprising was the performance >degradation when > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> switching from 20MHz to 10MHz/5MHz. Our tests were Raw >Bandwidth > > >> > >>>>> Tests(AirOS), Video (VLC UDP Stream), Voice (Trixbox G711 >Voice > > >> > Call), > > >> > >>>>> and MTR (Latency, Jitter) > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> I still have data to collect and prepare a report for the >tech > > >> > team, but > > >> > >>>>> we did notice that when we switched to 10 or 5MHz bandwidth >our > > >> > voice > > >> > >>>>> calls was greatly degraded. Only one way; from Fixed to >Mobile I > > >> > could > > >> > >>>>> hear the Fixed station easily. Mobile to Fixed the voice >was > > >> > choppy. > > >> > >>>>> We started to get packet loss & massive jitter on 10MHz, >just > > >> > going back > > >> > >>>>> to 20MHz made the links stable. > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> Fixed Station: On a mountain side - HPOL 9dBI Omni >Directional > > >> > with a > > >> > >>>>> Bullet2HP @400mW > > >> > >>>>> Mobile Station: 8km away near large body of water - >Bullet2HP > > >> > @400mW w/ > > >> > >>>>> 24dBi Directional (HPOL Alignment) -70dbm RSSI > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> Any ideas? We are planning on using 10MHz channels & H-Pol >to > > >> > combat > > >> > >>>>> any future spectrum pollution and voice calls over this >network is > > >> > expected. > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> -Israel > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> > -------- > > >> > >>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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