LOL, and less chance for a lightning hit! On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Robert West <robert.w...@just-micro.com>wrote:
> Think of it as a cost saving. > > One less antenna to buy. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:27 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure > > But, the noise is there. Just put one of the cards in station mode and run > a > survey. It really hit me one time when I put up a new link and the signal > was very low (-88). I went back up the tower on the AP side and found that > th epigtail had fallen off! We were connecting to a radio card inside an > enclosure with NO antenna over a mile away! -RickG > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:45 AM, MDK <rea...@muddyfrogwater.us> wrote: > > > The most I have done so far, is to put 7 cards in one box. I don't use > > shielding between them or anything, and have no known issues, except if I > > forget and use the diversity mode in the card, instead of locking to the > > port I'm using. > > > > I'm about to upgrade one site to 10 cards in one steel box, but I don't > > expect any significant issues. > > > > currently, the 7 break down as 2 at 2.4 and the rest 5Ghz. > > > > two cards overlap, with one being a 20 mhz and one a ten mhz channel on > the > > same center frequency, with not a lot of ill effects. I know, bad form > > and > > all, but there's only ONE useable frequency in a certain area of downtown > > since I staked it out many years ago (nobody else has been able to squat > on > > it and work, apparently), and so I have a sector and a p2p on the same > > frequencies in the same direction. > > > > ONe feeds a busy office in the day, the other is busy residential at > night, > > and I've found no signfiicant change in the main sector's loss overall, > > while the busy office went from poor behavior to reasonable. I'm > going > > to replace this with a 3.65 p2p shortly. > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Mike" <m...@aweiowa.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:13 AM > > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > > Subject: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure > > > > > Since I am probably one of the veterans called out yesterday for my > > > messaging etiquette, I am changing the subject. > > > > > > I am interested in the multiple radios in an enclosure idea. I do > > > have a couple with 5.8 and 2.4 gear in the same box, but have been > > > afraid to put cards in the same band in the same case. > > > > > > The foil spacer you put between cards Bob, do you then ground it to > > > create a sort of Faraday shield? I know the XRx cards do a good job > > > of shielding if you attach the pigtail. > > > > > > How about the receive sensitivity on the 411 cards? Has that been an > > > issue? I think the XR cards have better specs. Wouldn't having > > > multiple 411 cards in the same box possibly have desense issues too? > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > At 09:41 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: > > >>Forgot to add, if you're concerned with any RF collisions inside the > box, > > >>the other thing I talked about earlier, having just 3 411 cards in > their > > >>own > > >>box at the sector then running Cat5 to transparent bridge the 411's to > a > > >>central RouterOS device would take any of that issue totally away. > > That's > > >>one that I'm doing just to do it, basically. Was an idea from someone > a > > >>couple of months ago. (I actually listen to you guys) Had a 600a > doing > > >>nothing and some 411 cards "so why not play?" was my thinking. > > >> > > >>Bob- > > >> > > >> > > >>-----Original Message----- > > >>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > > >>Behalf Of Mike > > >>Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:48 AM > > >>To: WISPA General List > > >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors > > >> > > >>Have you had any issues with putting 3 radio cards in the same > > >>spectrum in the same box? I've thought about that but wondered if > > >>there would be desense issues where one transmitting desensitizes > > >>another one listening. > > >> > > >> > > >>At 08:38 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: > > >> >Yep, looks like you're hitting the wall. We aren't lucky enough to > > push > > >> >3 > > >> >meg here, the most is usually 1 so again, all depends on your > customer > > >>base. > > >> > > > >> >I'd say if you already have 35 on that one AP, just splitting it into > 2 > > >> >180 > > >> >degree sectors will just cost you cash as soon as you gain a few more > > >> >customers. You already have 35 pulling it down, sounds like if you > > just > > >> >do > > >> >2 180's, if split evenly (and it never will be) that would put you to > > >> >where > > >> >you probably want to be for smooth delivery but not much room for > more > > >> >growth. I'd go with 3 120's and a 433AH with 3 cards on it, one per > > >>sector. > > >> >I have a few like that and it works fine for what I do but again, I > > only > > >> >dole out 1mb per sub typically. I've also been upgrading some of my > > >> >remote > > >> >AP's to one 433AH with only one radio installed and an Omni. The > > >> >anticipated upgrade path is to just add a sector or 2 and radio card > as > > >> >needed to the point where I have 3 sectors. Keeping the Omni of > course > > >> >until the third sector is needed. That's something someone already > > >> >suggested doing and I like the economics of it. > > >> > > > >> >Bob- > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >-----Original Message----- > > >> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > > On > > >> >Behalf Of Jason Hensley > > >> >Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:26 AM > > >> >To: 'WISPA General List' > > >> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors > > >> > > > >> >Max 3meg - b only mode on this particular AP. Most are still able to > > >> >get > > >> >that, but we're seeing a decline on how many can pull 3meg. At peak > > >> >times, > > >> >we've seen it to where users aren't able to get much over 1meg, but > > >> >that's > > >> >not happening very often right now. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >-----Original Message----- > > >> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > > On > > >> >Behalf Of Robert West > > >> >Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:23 AM > > >> >To: 'WISPA General List' > > >> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors > > >> > > > >> >Yeah, how much bandwidth are you passing to those 35 customers, > Jason? > > >>Just > > >> >curious. > > >> > > > >> >Bob- > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >-----Original Message----- > > >> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > > On > > >> >Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com > > >> >Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:10 AM > > >> >To: WISPA General List > > >> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors > > >> > > > >> >Do you think you're hitting the limit of 802.11b/g or is it the lack > of > > >> >horsepower on the AP's CPU? > > >> > > > >> >Greg > > >> >On Dec 2, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > On this same subject, would it be better to put up 3 individual > > AP's, > > >> > > or > > >> > > would something like the Deliberant Quad work well if the issue is > > AP > > >> > > overload. I have an AP that has 35 subscribers right now. We've > > >> > > seen a > > >> > > performance drop on it and are considering sectoring. > > >> > > > > >> > > Any thoughts on a dual (or quad) radio on a single board vs > multiple > > >> >boards > > >> > > with single radios? > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > >> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: > wireless-boun...@wispa.org > > ] > > >> > > On > > >> > > Behalf Of Rick Harnish > > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 6:28 AM > > >> > > To: 'WISPA General List' > > >> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors > > >> > > > > >> > > Mark, > > >> > > > > >> > > If I remember right, you are in Missouri. I was looking for the > > >>strength > > >> >of > > >> > > your omni. We have had good success with 9 db omni's in the > Indiana > > >> > > farmland. When we need to sectorize but the market capacity is > not > > >> > > that > > >> > > high, we often go to (2) 180 Superpass 9 db sectors. We have had > > >> > > good > > >> >luck > > >> > > with them over the years. They improve our signal to existing > > >> > > clients > > >>and > > >> > > enable affordable expansion in rural areas. If the market will > > >> > > justify > > >>3 > > >> > > sectors, I would go that way though. > > >> > > > > >> > > Many of our Wireless POPs are pico-cells and we try to limit our > > >>salesmen > > >> >to > > >> > > a 6 mile diameter around the tower. Although, we can often go > > >> > > farther, > > >>we > > >> > > try to stay inside these guidelines when possible. To achieve a > high > > >> >density > > >> > > of broadcast stations, many locations are needed. Luckily, we are > > >> > > well > > >> > > established in our area and have most of these sites already in > > >>operation. > > >> > > Your mileage may vary given your topology and broadcast site > > density. > > >> > > > > >> > > Rick Harnish > > >> > > > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: > > wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > > >> > >> On > > >> > >> Behalf Of Mark McElvy > > >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:51 PM > > >> > >> To: WISPA General List > > >> > >> Subject: [WISPA] Sectors > > >> > >> > > >> > >> I am running 2.4 HPOL It has taken about 1.5 yrs to grow this AP > to > > >> > >> 32 > > >> > >> subs. > > >> > >> > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: > > wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > > >> > >> On > > >> > >> Behalf Of 3-dB Networks > > >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:37 PM > > >> > >> To: 'WISPA General List' > > >> > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors > > >> > >> > > >> > >> What frequency band and polarization? > > >> > >> > > >> > >> I would also strongly consider your reasoning for moving from the > > >> > >> Omni > > >> > >> to > > >> > >> the sectors. If it is because your AP is overloaded so you need > to > > >> > >> offload > > >> > >> some, 3 AP's might be attractive for future proofing sakes. > > >> > >> > > >> > >> Daniel White > > >> > >> 3-dB Networks > > >> > >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: > > wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > > >> > >> On > > >> > >> Behalf Of Mark McElvy > > >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:29 PM > > >> > >> To: WISPA General List > > >> > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors > > >> > >> > > >> > >> 9db > > >> > >> > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: > > wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > > >> > >> On > > >> > >> Behalf Of Rick Harnish > > >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:42 PM > > >> > >> To: 'WISPA General List' > > >> > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors > > >> > >> > > >> > >> What size omni are you using? > > >> > >> > > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >> > >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org > > >> > >>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > > >> > >> On > > >> > >>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman > > >> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:59 PM > > >> > >>> To: WISPA General List > > >> > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> That is the general suggestion - two 120s. That one guy that > does > > >> > >>> antenna design said so :) > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> You will get some less coverage then three 120s but at the cost > of > > >> > >> the > > >> > >>> extra radio/antenna it isn't cost efficient. > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> On 12/1/09, Mark McElvy <mmce...@accubak.com> wrote: > > >> > >>>> I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't > > >> > >>>> really > > >> > >>> want > > >> > >>>> to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard > > >> > >> they > > >> > >>>> don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, > > >> > >>>> any > > >> > >>>> comments? > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> Mark > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > >>> ----------- > > >> > >>>> WISPA Wants You! 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