I would hope everyone would choose peace over war, but history has proven
since the beginning of time that peace is achieved through war.
Without a clearly defined "Winner" and "Loser" of war there will never be
peace.
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of
net-neutrality
Good points.
When I have to choose between guns (war) or butter (peace), I'll choose
the butter.
Robert West wrote:
Life, Liberty, Property.
Those were the basics that our government was formed to protect for us.
For the common defense.
It's now morphed from the government For the people into people For the
government. As long as there are greedy people and the "what about mine?"
thinkers, it won't get any better.
As far as the current situation I think we should bring back the war tax
and
the draft. Now hear me out on this....
Are we at war? Where? I dunno, I'm not involved in any way, shape or
form.
Not directly anyhow. So it continues to zap the life out of this country.
We've sanitized the citizenry out of war thus it can go on forever without
much thought from those of us out here trying to live our lives and put
food
on the table and pay for the folly of it all.
If we had a war tax and kids were being drafted, we'd all be involved,
more
commonly polarized and I guarantee you we wouldn't be pouring billions
every
month down useless well.
Just my crazy thoughts.
Bob-
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:38 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation
of
net-neutrality
Jack,
Your police analogy is flawed.
While it may take a larger police force to serve and insure the safety of
a
larger population it does not take a larger government body with increased
invasion of those people's lives to govern effectively. A larger
population
requires no more or fewer laws than a small population as the laws are
applied to all regardless of the size of population.
Agreed, the more people that "give up" and begin to simply depend on the
government to provide for them the worse our country (or any country)
becomes. This is exactly what big government wants; the people to become
more dependent on them. The more dependent the people become on big
government the more power they have over your life and the fewer freedoms
you enjoy.
Why is it that so many small businesses exist? They exist partly because
they can provide a better service/price than the "big guys". Wireless
providers (other than those looking for a handout to keep their doors
open)
exist because the ILECs created an opportunity that we identified and
acted
upon. Capitalism and the market works well as long as big government
stays
out of it. I don't know about the rest here, but the more the big Telco's
charge the better my business does!
What does America have to show for all the ridiculous recent spending? GM
is still losing Billions of dollars, the big banks that were forced to
take
TARP haven't changed and many have repaid TARP to get the government out
of
their business. Is it such a bad thing to own and operate a small
business
with no long term debt? Sure, it makes getting the company off the ground
that much harder, but it also creates a personal investment and commitment
by the proprietor beyond any cash infusion.
Unemployment is nearing record highs as those (evil guys) that employ
people
weather the storm of uncertainty. People are losing their homes.many of
which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if
it
were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers.
I can go on, but I get the feeling none of this makes any sense to you,
Jack. That's fine with me.there are those that do and those that.I don't
know.just coast along I guess?
Best,
Brad
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation
of
net-neutrality
Brad,
You are misunderstanding or ignoring what I've been saying so let's try it
again.
When you have more people crowded into the same space your are going to
have
more frequent and more complex problems, including more fighting over the
available amount of resources. Like it or not, attempting to maintain
order
is expected of government, be it large or small government. A two-person
police force is expected to be able to maintain order in a tiny community
and a 10,000 person police force is expected to be able to maintain order
in
a large city. A two-person (small government) police force will not be
able
to maintain order in New York or Los Angeles. "Socialism" (however that is
defined or mis-defined) has nothing to do with this basic dynamic.
America was built by hard-working people who thrived within the limited
government framework that the founding fathers provided. Unfortunately
today, 99% of the working people have lost or given up their power to
govern
their own lives. That power now resides in the hands of large corporations
(banks, factory farms, seed companies, meat processors, insurance
companies,
news networks, incumbent telecom companies, etc.). Government has
unfortunately become complicit in this dynamic. Today, big money
corporations control government by "buying off" politicians through large
campaign contributions. It doesn't matter if the politicians are Democrats
or Republicans. Our big-money political system has corrupted virtually all
of them. Until we fix our broken political system by removing the
corrupting effect of big money, none of us will regain the freedoms that
were fought for and won by our ancestors.
jack
Brad Belton wrote:
Jack,
I completely disagree with the notion that America has to become smaller
to
have a smaller less invasive government! It is a socialist mentality to
think that only government can grow America or help Americans.
America achieved its success by people utilizing their abilities to better
themselves and their lives free of an overly burdening government.
America
was not built by grants, entitlements or anything big government can
possibly provide. Instead our constitution provides a framework outlining
government limitations, so as to prevent government to ever be able to
control the people it governs. The people of the republic govern not the
other way around.
Countless Americans have given their lives to protect the very freedom big
government takes away. Government run health care just happens to be the
straw that broke the camel's back and Americans are saying enough is
enough
in overwhelming numbers.
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation
of
net-neutrality
Brad,
There is really only one way to get a smaller government without
throwing society into total disarray. That method is to have a smaller
country, in other words, a lower level of population. With an exploding
population there is just no way that I can see to get a smaller
government.
If only reclaiming our country for working people was as easy as voting
the incumbents out that would be GREAT but unfortunately it's not that
simple. Voting the incumbents out won't result in government doing a
better job for working people because the real influence is the
big-corporation money that finances the election campaigns for each new
crop of political nominees. The big-money lobbyists remain when each old
group of politicians is voted out so the big-money corporation's power
actually becomes greater and greater as time goes on.
The solution that I propose is equal public financing for ALL political
campaigns. Each nominee (and incumbent) would receive an equal number of
taxpayer dollars to run their campaign. This will help ALL candidates
remember who they are supposed to be working for (working-class
taxpayers, not large corporations).
As to regaining some influence for working people with regard to banks,
I'd recommend that everyone put their money in a local credit union or
small local community bank. My money has been kept in a local community
credit union for over 20 years and I feel good about it being there.
It's contributing to the community instead of being used in an
irresponsible fashion and/or used against the best interests of the
community.
Best,
jack
Brad Belton wrote:
The fundamental difference that Jack fails to recognize is if a bank (or
organization other than the government) does treat you unfairly you have
recourse. If your own government treats you unfairly, you have little to
no
recourse.
Yes, we can all only hope the majority of Americans will continue to stand
up and say no more to big government. A smaller less intrusive government
is what America needs. In order to achieve this we have to remove the
career politicians from office that have clearly lost touch with the
people
that elected them.
Brad
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation
of
net-neutrality
So, now that government has been drowned, the huge banks, insurance
companies, telecoms can do whatever they want to you whenever they want to
do it.
BWaaaah, haaa, haaaa, haaa, haaaaggggh....
Frank Crawford wrote:
YES
Jack Unger wrote:
I trust that government will be able to keep up just fine. Do you
support the alternative of making government so small that you can drown
it in a bathtub?
Glenn Kelley wrote:
Title II of the Communications Act-the section that regulates
telecommunications common carriers is now being considered by the FCC to
oversee broadband. FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell during a talk he
gave to the Free State Foundation asked: (see First Do No Harm: A
broadband
plan for Amercia)
"Exactly what kind of companies might get tangled up into this regulatory
Rubik's Cube?.Any Internet company that offers a voice application?" .
"With
this newfound authority, why stop at voice apps? Isn't voice just another
type of data app? As the distinction between network operators and
application providers continues to blur at an eye-popping rate, how will
the
government be able to keep up?"
Much more on the blog: www.HostMedic.com -->
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Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com
Email: [email protected]
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