C'mon Jack, war is about trying to accumulate power, not get rid of excess people.
Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Your statement is true when there is NOT enough food, clothing or shelter for everybody. But when there IS enough food, clothing and shelter for everybody, there is no need for war in order to achieve temporary "peace". This is why overpopulation is so bad - it creates war and makes real peace impossible. jack Brad Belton wrote: I would hope everyone would choose peace over war, but history has proven since the beginning of time that peace is achieved through war. Without a clearly defined "Winner" and "Loser" of war there will never be peace. Brad -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Good points. When I have to choose between guns (war) or butter (peace), I'll choose the butter. Robert West wrote: Life, Liberty, Property. Those were the basics that our government was formed to protect for us. For the common defense. It's now morphed from the government For the people into people For the government. As long as there are greedy people and the "what about mine?" thinkers, it won't get any better. As far as the current situation I think we should bring back the war tax and the draft. Now hear me out on this.... Are we at war? Where? I dunno, I'm not involved in any way, shape or form. Not directly anyhow. So it continues to zap the life out of this country. We've sanitized the citizenry out of war thus it can go on forever without much thought from those of us out here trying to live our lives and put food on the table and pay for the folly of it all. If we had a war tax and kids were being drafted, we'd all be involved, more commonly polarized and I guarantee you we wouldn't be pouring billions every month down useless well. Just my crazy thoughts. Bob- -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Jack, Your police analogy is flawed. While it may take a larger police force to serve and insure the safety of a larger population it does not take a larger government body with increased invasion of those people's lives to govern effectively. A larger population requires no more or fewer laws than a small population as the laws are applied to all regardless of the size of population. Agreed, the more people that "give up" and begin to simply depend on the government to provide for them the worse our country (or any country) becomes. This is exactly what big government wants; the people to become more dependent on them. The more dependent the people become on big government the more power they have over your life and the fewer freedoms you enjoy. Why is it that so many small businesses exist? They exist partly because they can provide a better service/price than the "big guys". Wireless providers (other than those looking for a handout to keep their doors open) exist because the ILECs created an opportunity that we identified and acted upon. Capitalism and the market works well as long as big government stays out of it. I don't know about the rest here, but the more the big Telco's charge the better my business does! What does America have to show for all the ridiculous recent spending? GM is still losing Billions of dollars, the big banks that were forced to take TARP haven't changed and many have repaid TARP to get the government out of their business. Is it such a bad thing to own and operate a small business with no long term debt? Sure, it makes getting the company off the ground that much harder, but it also creates a personal investment and commitment by the proprietor beyond any cash infusion. Unemployment is nearing record highs as those (evil guys) that employ people weather the storm of uncertainty. People are losing their homes.many of which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if it were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers. I can go on, but I get the feeling none of this makes any sense to you, Jack. That's fine with me.there are those that do and those that.I don't know.just coast along I guess? Best, Brad From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Brad, You are misunderstanding or ignoring what I've been saying so let's try it again. When you have more people crowded into the same space your are going to have more frequent and more complex problems, including more fighting over the available amount of resources. Like it or not, attempting to maintain order is expected of government, be it large or small government. A two-person police force is expected to be able to maintain order in a tiny community and a 10,000 person police force is expected to be able to maintain order in a large city. A two-person (small government) police force will not be able to maintain order in New York or Los Angeles. "Socialism" (however that is defined or mis-defined) has nothing to do with this basic dynamic. America was built by hard-working people who thrived within the limited government framework that the founding fathers provided. Unfortunately today, 99% of the working people have lost or given up their power to govern their own lives. That power now resides in the hands of large corporations (banks, factory farms, seed companies, meat processors, insurance companies, news networks, incumbent telecom companies, etc.). Government has unfortunately become complicit in this dynamic. Today, big money corporations control government by "buying off" politicians through large campaign contributions. It doesn't matter if the politicians are Democrats or Republicans. Our big-money political system has corrupted virtually all of them. Until we fix our broken political system by removing the corrupting effect of big money, none of us will regain the freedoms that were fought for and won by our ancestors. jack Brad Belton wrote: Jack, I completely disagree with the notion that America has to become smaller to have a smaller less invasive government! It is a socialist mentality to think that only government can grow America or help Americans. America achieved its success by people utilizing their abilities to better themselves and their lives free of an overly burdening government. America was not built by grants, entitlements or anything big government can possibly provide. Instead our constitution provides a framework outlining government limitations, so as to prevent government to ever be able to control the people it governs. The people of the republic govern not the other way around. Countless Americans have given their lives to protect the very freedom big government takes away. Government run health care just happens to be the straw that broke the camel's back and Americans are saying enough is enough in overwhelming numbers. Brad -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Brad, There is really only one way to get a smaller government without throwing society into total disarray. That method is to have a smaller country, in other words, a lower level of population. With an exploding population there is just no way that I can see to get a smaller government. If only reclaiming our country for working people was as easy as voting the incumbents out that would be GREAT but unfortunately it's not that simple. Voting the incumbents out won't result in government doing a better job for working people because the real influence is the big-corporation money that finances the election campaigns for each new crop of political nominees. The big-money lobbyists remain when each old group of politicians is voted out so the big-money corporation's power actually becomes greater and greater as time goes on. The solution that I propose is equal public financing for ALL political campaigns. Each nominee (and incumbent) would receive an equal number of taxpayer dollars to run their campaign. This will help ALL candidates remember who they are supposed to be working for (working-class taxpayers, not large corporations). As to regaining some influence for working people with regard to banks, I'd recommend that everyone put their money in a local credit union or small local community bank. My money has been kept in a local community credit union for over 20 years and I feel good about it being there. It's contributing to the community instead of being used in an irresponsible fashion and/or used against the best interests of the community. Best, jack Brad Belton wrote: The fundamental difference that Jack fails to recognize is if a bank (or organization other than the government) does treat you unfairly you have recourse. If your own government treats you unfairly, you have little to no recourse. Yes, we can all only hope the majority of Americans will continue to stand up and say no more to big government. A smaller less intrusive government is what America needs. In order to achieve this we have to remove the career politicians from office that have clearly lost touch with the people that elected them. Brad From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality So, now that government has been drowned, the huge banks, insurance companies, telecoms can do whatever they want to you whenever they want to do it. BWaaaah, haaa, haaaa, haaa, haaaaggggh.... Frank Crawford wrote: YES Jack Unger wrote: I trust that government will be able to keep up just fine. Do you support the alternative of making government so small that you can drown it in a bathtub? Glenn Kelley wrote: Title II of the Communications Act-the section that regulates telecommunications common carriers is now being considered by the FCC to oversee broadband. FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell during a talk he gave to the Free State Foundation asked: (see First Do No Harm: A broadband plan for Amercia) "Exactly what kind of companies might get tangled up into this regulatory Rubik's Cube?.Any Internet company that offers a voice application?" . "With this newfound authority, why stop at voice apps? Isn't voice just another type of data app? As the distinction between network operators and application providers continues to blur at an eye-popping rate, how will the government be able to keep up?" Much more on the blog: www.HostMedic.com --> ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: [email protected] Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- WISPA Wants You! 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