On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 12:39:33PM -0800, MDK wrote: > We charge <40/mo and do not charge different rates for being "remote". > > The fact is, nearly all our customrs you would consider "remote" if you're a > suburban or urban WISP. The investment isn't the issue here. Finding > what WORKS and making up two or three options to study is what I?m > interested in. > > So far, I've proposed: > > 1. Creating a co-op for the area, and they put in a fiber backbone through > part of the canyon, which we then distribute to the homes with short-range > wireless. I have no interest in fiber to the house, as it would be > absurdly costly.
Just arrange for the community to get you the permissions to run the fiber for the tough 3 miles. It could be simpler than setting up a co-op. Get a big spool of it or a couple medium spools and start paying it out it with a team of people, one every 500' or so to keep it from catching on things. Leave it on the ground if it's truly dense uninhabited area. Leave some slack every few hundred feet. Run gigabit ethernet over it with singlemode media converters. The cost would be cheaper than a complicated system of wireless links and solar power. > 2. Doing a series of short-hop 2.4 and longer-hop 900 "repeaters", > strategically located on "reachable" places. There are, for instance, > some open shots from certain spots that'll get you a 1/2 mile in the open > for 5 gig. Other places are so dense that a 1/4 mile at 900 will be iffy. > 3. Some kind of mesh setup... > > 1. Elegant but costly and the logistics and likelyhood of getting a rural > community together to fund it is... eeehhh... Iffy. > 2. Workable, but lots of points of failure to reach the farthest customers > and still not cheap. > 3. Theory is that this is what mesh is made for, I just don't know of any > implementations (No, Jim, I will not use MT, I hated it when you sold it to > me and still do). > > Renting hillsides and putting in alternative powered repeaters... a > nightmare. This place often faces WEEKS of fogged in/snowed in / rained in > winter where you simply run out of solar power. Because of its terrain and > location, certain times of the winter will face prolonged inversions of fog > and low clouds. A repeater to GET there in the first place will be bad > enough, and it has clear horizons for sun and a ridge for wind. > Theoretically, we can put in mass solar panels and storage to overcome it, > but the cost, along with trying to site such volumes of equipment on a > hillside gets out of hand real fast. > > So, this is why I?m asking about mesh. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy > 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 11:50 AM > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outdoor mesh, has anyone seen any work well? > > > Maybe - but it depends on the customer count. For 5 people you would > > to charge ~100/mo each for access to get somewhere. For 30 you can do > > ~50/mo and be very happy. > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > ?Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to > > continue that counts.? > > --- Winston Churchill > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Jerry Richardson > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Sounds like a good place to lose alot of money. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Mar 5, 2010, at 10:41 AM, "MDK" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> I just got a call from a remote community, this is in "the > >>> mountains" so to > >>> speak. It's actually a canyon with a river in the middle and > >>> houses on > >>> both sides. It's not straight, and there's trees galore. In other > >>> words, longest distance with 2.4 is going to be "not very far". > >>> > >>> But, there's a lot of people here, equivalent of a small town, and > >>> no other > >>> broadband, and only some of them could even use satellite, which > >>> they all > >>> seem to hate. The populated area that's in this valley/canyon is > >>> spread > >>> over about 6 miles, the first 3 of which is open enough to use more > >>> conventional wireless setups. The last 3 miles, the canyon has > >>> bends and > >>> narrow spots, and vastly more trees. > >>> > >>> So, I got to thinking that an outdoor mesh might work for part of > >>> this, but > >>> I have yet to read of any truly successful outdoor meshes - > >>> especially that > >>> can deliver a large amount of bandwidth. > >>> > >>> Anyone? > >>> > >>> > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy > >>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --- > >>> --- > >>> --- > >>> --- > >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> WISPA Wants You! 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