In my area the middle mile being built is exactly for institutions with a minor mention that they would sell bandwidth to providers. But the main push is for the institutions.
Middle mile for whom? Bob- -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 4:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Citations needed? I have seen many many many posts on this list discussing/complaining about middle mile/back haul issues including access and expense. If the vast majority of wisps have access to sufficient back haul at competive prices then I stand corrected. Do the wisps on this list feel that your back haul needs are being adequately met with existing infestructure? Maybe someone should setup a poll on a website and let wisps vote? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Bartosch <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:00:04 To: WISPA General List<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL I think largely the middle mile funds are wasted. Most areas already have at least *some* fiber. The cost, and the problem, is in getting last mile done, not middle mile done. From my direct experience and observation, a lot of the middle mile projects NTIA is funding is really for redundant fiber. Where it isn't redundant it isn't really providing functionality that would help last mile access in the projects I've looked at. Worse, the middle mile projects are NOT being designed intimately with last mile providers. They are going to "key community institutions" which (1) mostly already have fiber connections and (2) really have no impact on where service is needed for last mile access. Chuck On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: > This is why I have said that the stimulus dollars need to go to middle > milte build outs. Wireless as a last mile medium is very well understood > and gives best bang for the buck in a lot of scenarios. > > Justin Wilson wrote: >> I think part of the issue is economies of scale. Many rural ISPs have >> T1s and T3s at best. The cost of transport and bandwidth doesn¹t allow them >> to scale as well as they could if they had fiber or some other high capacity >> transport. With providers such as Cogent well under $10 a meg in bulk you >> can afford to up the speed (providing your network can support it) if you >> have access to such things. >> >> I have seen several providers start offering better speeds once they had >> access to a bigger pipe. I know in my area a T1 is still around $450 a >> month. Get 4 bonded t1s and you are looking at $300 a meg. If you had >> access to fiber and your transport + bandwidth cost you say $75 a meg you >> could afford to up the subscriber speeds. >> >> Just my thoughts. >> >> Justin >> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -------------- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 "When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee?" >From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
