That's why I wonder if MDK is talking about MT AP's. Greg
On Mar 25, 2010, at 2:53 PM, Scott Reed wrote: > MT allows you to create queues that will make sure everyone gets a piece. > > Greg Ihnen wrote: >> Are those MT AP's? Does RouterOS keep the bandwidth usage fair (everyone >> gets a piece)? >> >> Greg >> >> On Mar 25, 2010, at 2:34 PM, MDK wrote: >> >> >>> Well, define "big plan". >>> >>> In a P2P situation, an 11a access point can move about 10 to 12mbit to the >>> clients - assuming quite a few clients (at least 20) and not over 8 miles. >>> My 2mbit customers... I can have 4-5 of them run pretty steady and things >>> are ok - not great, but ok. Once we pass that 4 running full speed at 2m, >>> everyone starts losing a little and if you've got 6 or more trying, >>> everyone's latency starts upwards pretty good. If you see 10 clients out >>> of 30 active, and if 4 are sustaining full 2m, then the AP is maxed, >>> completely. There's just no more bit delivery available. New demands >>> come at the cost of reductions to other delivery speeds. >>> >>> In a microcell, you could count on 3 6mbit customers getting good speeds, >>> but after that, the shortages simply divide up equally. Have someone >>> throw >>> in full bore bittorent, and it drops even further, since it misuses the >>> airtime quite badly, and runs a lot of upstream data. Also, each client >>> added to the AP - whether its busy or not, adds overhead, and the >>> throughput >>> diminishes a little. My busiest is 37 clients, and we're working on >>> transferring some off of it, as it's overloaded and some are having issues >>> with watching video, etc. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Mike Hammett" <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:48 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>> >>> >>>> I don't see hwy AirMax, N-Streme, or whatever Star's equivalent of those >>>> two >>>> couldn't maintain 30 customers with big plans (not all using it at once, >>>> however). >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "RickG" <rgunder...@gmail.com> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:20 PM >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>> >>>> >>>>> I'm thinking Ubiquiti Airmax can but I could be wrong? >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:31 PM, MDK <rea...@muddyfrogwater.us> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You cannot do >>>>>> it >>>>>> with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever busy >>>>>> at >>>>>> the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS to >>>>>> around 20% of my clients. >>>>>> >>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >>>>>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> From: "RickG" <rgunder...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM >>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If so, with what equipment? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho <coelh...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Are you delivering that wireless? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> mc >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker >>>>>>>>> <jay...@spectrasurf.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo >>>>>>>>>> gets >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> 20Mbps/6Mbps. >>>>>>>>>> We guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed. A lot of people >>>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>> like that too. >>>>>>>>>> Our packages: www.peakinter.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK <rea...@muddyfrogwater.us> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do >>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> offer your customers a decent value for their dollars. 35 Bux >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a >>>>>>>>>>> 300K >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> 25 >>>>>>>>>>> and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You don't' need to be the cheapest to be "competitive", but you >>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>>>> outside of normal pricing. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering something >>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>> a 7 >>>>>>>>>>> meg service. Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo. Not the >>>>>>>>>>> cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What would 7 meg be >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>> area? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>>>>>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >>>>>>>>>>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <k...@wavelinc.com> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM >>>>>>>>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> mailed >>>>>>>>>>>> out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being >>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they >>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>> raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. Anyways we >>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>> getting >>>>>>>>>>>> about 1 person a day switching from our $35/month/768k wireless >>>>>>>>>>>> service >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> this DSL. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to retain >>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>> customers???? They are not even giving us a chance to offer them >>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> lower >>>>>>>>>>>> price as they all already have the DSL turned on and been using >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>>>>>> month before they cancel ours. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>>>>>> WAVELINC >>>>>>>>>>>> P.O. 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