Everyone "gets a piece" to be sure, but if you want to watch ABC or NBC or CBS or FOX or HULU or any of the services out there, that 2 meg is the video stream + a small overhead. If your throughput falls just a little, then the video guys are buffering... and cranky.
I could never watch any of them on DSL, because it buffered endlessly, the latency was too high and throughput just too low at 1.5 max. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Ihnen" <os10ru...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:07 PM To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > Are those MT AP's? Does RouterOS keep the bandwidth usage fair (everyone > gets a piece)? > > Greg > > On Mar 25, 2010, at 2:34 PM, MDK wrote: > >> Well, define "big plan". >> >> In a P2P situation, an 11a access point can move about 10 to 12mbit to >> the >> clients - assuming quite a few clients (at least 20) and not over 8 >> miles. >> My 2mbit customers... I can have 4-5 of them run pretty steady and >> things >> are ok - not great, but ok. Once we pass that 4 running full speed at >> 2m, >> everyone starts losing a little and if you've got 6 or more trying, >> everyone's latency starts upwards pretty good. If you see 10 clients >> out >> of 30 active, and if 4 are sustaining full 2m, then the AP is maxed, >> completely. There's just no more bit delivery available. New demands >> come at the cost of reductions to other delivery speeds. >> >> In a microcell, you could count on 3 6mbit customers getting good speeds, >> but after that, the shortages simply divide up equally. Have someone >> throw >> in full bore bittorent, and it drops even further, since it misuses the >> airtime quite badly, and runs a lot of upstream data. Also, each client >> added to the AP - whether its busy or not, adds overhead, and the >> throughput >> diminishes a little. My busiest is 37 clients, and we're working on >> transferring some off of it, as it's overloaded and some are having >> issues >> with watching video, etc. >> >> >> >> >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Mike Hammett" <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:48 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >>> I don't see hwy AirMax, N-Streme, or whatever Star's equivalent of those >>> two >>> couldn't maintain 30 customers with big plans (not all using it at once, >>> however). >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "RickG" <rgunder...@gmail.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:20 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>> >>>> I'm thinking Ubiquiti Airmax can but I could be wrong? >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:31 PM, MDK <rea...@muddyfrogwater.us> wrote: >>>>> Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You cannot >>>>> do >>>>> it >>>>> with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever >>>>> busy >>>>> at >>>>> the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS to >>>>> around 20% of my clients. >>>>> >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >>>>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>> >>>>>> Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> From: "RickG" <rgunder...@gmail.com> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>>> >>>>>>> If so, with what equipment? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho <coelh...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Are you delivering that wireless? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> mc >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker >>>>>>>> <jay...@spectrasurf.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo >>>>>>>>> gets >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> 20Mbps/6Mbps. >>>>>>>>> We guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed. A lot of people >>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>> like that too. >>>>>>>>> Our packages: www.peakinter.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK <rea...@muddyfrogwater.us> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do >>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> offer your customers a decent value for their dollars. 35 Bux >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a >>>>>>>>>> 300K >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> 25 >>>>>>>>>> and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You don't' need to be the cheapest to be "competitive", but you >>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>>> outside of normal pricing. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering something >>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>> a 7 >>>>>>>>>> meg service. Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo. Not >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What would 7 meg >>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>> area? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>>>>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >>>>>>>>>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <k...@wavelinc.com> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM >>>>>>>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> mailed >>>>>>>>>>> out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they >>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. 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