You might have a lot of pigs, but I am guessing you haven't dealt with forest. I have areas where it takes a 200ft tower to mostly beat the foliage. And there are 150ft pine trees every 10-15ft everywhere. Customers have anywhere from 20 to 100 acre properties. Most customers cannot see their neighbors house. Also you can travel 1 mile in some areas and the elevation can change over 1000ft. The next major ridgeline or mountain is about every 4 miles.
900mhz with clean spectrum does not work in most of these areas at less than 1 mile. Whitespace will make it so a lot of houses in the rural areas around here (Northern California) can get Internet faster than 28.8bps dialup. Mike Hammett wrote: > On the contrary, with proper equipment availability, the band will be quite > a benefit, but I suggest that we not underestimate the negatives and > overestimate the positives. > > I would call myself rural, but not desolate. ;-) There's 2400 pigs on this > property, no less than 100k pigs within a 1.5 mile radius, approximately 1M > pigs in the county. > > Providing adequate current\next generation speeds to a 100 home subdivision > or town is just as much of a pain due to foliage for me as it is for anyone > else. I'd much rather point a TV sector from an existing tower or two than > construct an 80' tower to overcome foliage before I can use equipment in > legacy bands. This method reduce the points of failure and permits more > sophisticated support systems (power backup, backhaul, security, etc.) than > building little towers everywhere I want to serve a few houses. > > It also allows me to reach into new markets before I can justify the cost of > setting up a full tower using legacy bands. > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Ryan Spott" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 1:26 PM > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > >> Mike, >> >> I would suggest that you not use this band if it does not meet your needs. >> I >> tend to not use 5.8 in my area as 5.8 does not meet my needs. >> >> Your needs appear to be different from mine. >> >> ryan >> >> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Mike Hammett >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> So we're regressing to a bunch of high powered omnis? Maybe I don't >>> understand how much of a God-send sync is, but if it's that great, why is >>> the default Canopy setup 6x 60* sectors instead of a single omni? (I'm >>> not >>> saying sync is bad, I wish everything had sync). >>> >>> I don't really give a hoot about the higher power. Regular power levels >>> will give me the penetration I need. I'll run out of mbit/s long before >>> I >>> run out of dB. I am aware that more rural areas need the higher power. >>> As >>> many people are looking to penetrate the foliage domain of a populated >>> town >>> or subdivision as there are looking to traverse a sparse forest. >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Ryan Spott" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 1:02 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC >>> >>>> At 20watts, you probably won't need a 15db antenna. :) >>>> >>>> With lightly licensed, you probably won't need a sector. (less >>>> interference). >>>> >>>> With GPS timing (ala moto/cell gear) you will have less >>> self-interference. >>>> ryan >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> My experience is mostly limited to the WISP market (though I'm not >>>>> completely ignorant of other markets). Innovation is always welcome, >>> but >>>>> any sector that delivers approximately 90 degrees and 15 dBi >>>>> performance >>>>> is >>>>> going to be huge. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "Mike" <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:39 PM >>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC >>>>> >>>>>> Have you ever taken a really good look at an FM broadcast antenna? >>>>>> Most >>>>>> are >>>>>> circularly polarized so they can be received by both horizontal and >>>>>> vertical >>>>>> receive antennas. Even at 90 MHz they aren't that large either. My >>>>>> choice >>>>>> of sector would be something like that, and would be made of >>>>>> aluminum >>>>>> parts, >>>>>> not panels like we are used to using now. I predict circular >>>>>> polarity >>>>>> will >>>>>> be the norm. Why? Because theoretically, a receive antenna of >>>>>> opposite >>>>>> circular sense exhibits infinite loss. My experiments have shown >>>>>> that >>>>>> reality is less, but you CAN expect at least 30 to 40 dB of >>>>>> isolation. >>>>>> The >>>>>> same 6 MHz segment could be reused on the same tower. The phasing >>>>> harness >>>>>> on the CPE antenna would have to set to either left hand or right >>>>>> hand >>>>>> circular polarization. >>>>>> >>>>>> Friendly Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike Gilchrist >>>>>> Disruptive Technologist >>>>>> Advanced Wireless Express >>>>>> P.O. Box 255 >>>>>> Toledo, IA 52342 >>>>>> 239.770.6203 >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>> On >>>>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:23 PM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC >>>>>> >>>>>> Then the problem arises of frequency reuse if we have such low gain >>>>>> antenna >>>>>> all over the place... and the size of a sector antenna for towers. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> From: "Mike" <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 11:59 AM >>>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC >>>>>> >>>>>>> Just for discussion, let's say a TV LPDA has a gain of 8 dBi. It >>> will >>>>>>> cover >>>>>>> the entire VHF TV band, and by superimposing a UHF LPDA on the same >>>>> mast, >>>>>>> can cover the entire UHF TV band with similar gain figures. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd make this challenge: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I could TRY to hide a TV band LPDA on my property and beg you to >>>>>>> find >>>>> it. >>>>>>> Even well hidden, you would. Now, give me a few hours to build a >>>>>>> narrow >>>>>>> band antenna with similar gain in ANY 6 MHz segment of the same >>> bands, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> let me try to hide it. Do you think I could hide it well enough >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> wouldn't find it? I know I can. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My point is, the antenna which will be needed for any segment of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> whitespace will be much less intrusive than the LPDA (or Yagi) >>>>>>> being >>>>> used >>>>>>> for comparison. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is great dialogue. 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